That is debatable. There is a string attached, and it tells the tales similar to the Grapes of Wrath..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Ohbe, you don't live in California either.:-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > FFL, the endless battle of who did what, and how come I am not fucking > > enlightened yet. > > > > > > Hey Bob, the link you put at the end of your post below on this thread, it > > does not work if one lives in the States. I love Purple rain to go along > > with those purple high stretch stiletto boots, please share a link we can > > see from here, the States.. Emily would most likely appreciate it too! > > The mention in a post to the Turq, I do not live in Fairfield, and not in > > Manhattan (deduct my non response of 72nd and 4th)(nor the L train from > > Willamsburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgjEObtrWE Oh,Give me a > > ticket on an Air-o-plane." you now have minus three areas I may or may not > > live,at certain times. :) > > I live in my skin, the blanket of FFL. You guys and ladies, are my warmth. > > :) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price wrote: > > > > > > MILAREPA once sent three of his devotees, each with a > > > > > > blanket, into the mountains of Tibet with the instruction to not return > > > until > > > they had mastered their inner heat. > > > > > > > > > The monks found an ice field, laid out their blankets, and > > > began to mediate; windstorms and angry blizzards pummeled the three > > > adherents and > > > covered them with ice and snow, but the three continued to mediate > > > without interruption. > > > > > > > > > Finally, after ten years had passed, one of the monks opened > > > his eyes and glared at the monk beside him and angrily shouted: > > > > > > > > > "You're sitting on my blanket!" > > > > > > > > > The angry monk then closed his eyes and the three continued to mediate. > > > > > > > > > More wind, snow and ice storms hit the mountain and froze the > > > monks solid, but still they continued their practice without interruption. > > > > > > > > > After another ten years had passed the second monk opened his eyes and > > > shouted: > > > > > > > > > "No I'm not!" > > > > > > > > > The second angry monk then closed his eyes again, and the > > > three continued to mediate peacefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > More blizzards and wind storms hit the mountain and covered > > > the three monks with freezing rain and snow; the howling wind was > > > deafening, > > > and at times the three mediating monks were encased in solid blocks of > > > ice, but > > > they remained immoveable and continued to mediate uninterrupted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, after another ten years had passed (making it > > > thirty years since they had arrived), the third monk suddenly jumped up, > > > grabbed > > > his blanket, and ran down the mountain, back to the monastery where > > > MILAREPA was waiting. > > > > > > > > > > > > MILAREPA asked the devotee: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Why have you returned, have you mastered your inner heat?" > > > > > > > > > > > > And the third monk answered: > > > > > > > > > > > > "No master, I'm back because I got sick and tired of all the bickering > > > and fighting!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For OBBA: > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bydB3-k-qU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: turquoiseb > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:21 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Challenge: Talk about the issue, not the people > > > who brought it up > > > > > > > > > > > > Just so this doesn't get buried inside a topic many > > > people weren't reading, here it is with a new title, > > > and under a new thread. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What makes you think that this "negatively charged tone" > > > > > is in THEM? It seems to me that a large number of people > > > > > *project* such things ONTO the TM critics, because they're > > > > > heavily attached to Maharishi and TM, and *their* buttons > > > > > got pushed. They're experiencing emotions inside themselves > > > > > that they perceive as negative, so they project the source > > > > > of that perceived negativity onto the critic. > > > > > > > > To expand upon this, Share, here's what I saw happen > > > > in this thread about the fundraising for Vedaland. > > > > > > > > Based upon what Michael and Salyavin have said about > > > > this incident, it seems clear that the TM organization > > > > not only was guilty of selling shares in a venture they > > > > knew was not going to happen because Doug was dying, > > > > they did so *on long-term residence courses*, sending > > > > people to solicit partnerships/donations from people > > > > who were rounding, and thus had been instructed to > > > > not make any serious decisions while rounding. > > > > > > > > OK, that strikes me as a pretty big "WTF moment." > > > > > > > > And so far, in my quick re-read of the thread, it seems > > > > that other than Michael, Salyavin and myself, no one > > > > from the still-loyal-to-TM camp has really commented > > > > *on the issue itself*. Buck came the closest. > > > > > > > > Most others have been playing one form or another of > > > > "Kill the messenger," either suggesting that something > > > > is wrong with Michael or the other critics, or that > > > > something was wrong with their "tone," that it was > > > > "negative." > > > > > > > > Here's what I think. > > > > > > > > The negativity is in the "Kill the messenger" types. > > > > They heard something *that they didn't want to hear*. > > > > It caused cognitive dissonance in them. They knew that > > > > if they dealt with it directly and said what this news > > > > made them *feel* about the organization they've been > > > > part of for so long, and said it honestly, they'd be > > > > perceived by other TBs as "negative." So they stayed > > > > as far away from the real issue as possible. > > > > > > > > Instead they projected the inner turmoil they were > > > > feeling about the issue onto the people who *were* > > > > talking about the issue, and tried to turn the thread > > > > into talking about *them* instead. Classic "Kill the > > > > messenger," and classic cult. > > > > > > > > You seem to be full of advice today on how Michael or > > > > others could clean up their "negatively charged tone." > > > > Well, here's some advice from me. Try not to project > > > > the button-pushed turmoil inside yourself onto other > > > > people, and lash out at them rather than dealing with > > > > what they said. > > > > > > > > It's not whether Michael is outraged over this issue. > > > > That's fairly obvious. The bigger question is, "Why > > > > aren't you?" > > > > > > > > How 'bout it, TM-supporters? Take this issue and discuss > > > > it *AS* issue, no personalities, and no attempts at > > > > well-poisoning and slander. > > > > > > > > Please explain how what the TM did in this case can be > > > > seen as OK, legal, or benevolent. Please explain why > > > > you still feel the need to support them or defend them, > > > > if that's what you wind up doing. But talk about the > > > > issue *itself*, not the people who brought it up. > > > > > > > > We'll wait... > > > > > > Suggestions for possible discussion points? > > > > > > - Did you ever experience, while on rounding courses, > > > representatives of the TMO "pitching" you on things > > > that cost money? You know, like "the next big course > > > you just had to attend," or "the next technique you > > > just had to have," or the next Maharishi-add-on > > > product you just had to buy, be it Ayurveda or S-V > > > houses? > > > > > > - If so, how do you reconcile this fairly obvious > > > attempt to get you to spend more money or donate more > > > money with the clear instructions you were given at > > > the start of every rounding course, "Don't make any > > > major decisions while you are here?" > > > > > > - What *is* it about the TM technique that makes it > > > "100% positive" when done as advertised, 20 minutes > > > twice a day, but that makes it so powerful during > > > rounding courses that you have to be assigned a > > > "buddy" to keep track of you, and you are prohibited > > > from leaving the course premises? Clearly the people > > > who made up the "buddy" and the "don't leave the > > > course" rules believed that people on rounding courses > > > were in a somewhat disabled state, because they made > > > up these rules to protect them (and, of course, to > > > protect the movement, lest they get into any trouble > > > while spaced out walking around in the community where > > > the course was being held). But they didn't believe > > > in the truth of the "Don't make any major decisions > > > rule" enough to refrain from trying to SELL them > > > things on courses? WTF? > > > > > > > > >                   > > > > > >
