I think Marshy called it the hum of the Universe
________________________________ From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" <doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back Thanks for bringing up a traditional use of the mantra as pure sound value. I am hardly knowledgeable about the Veda, but it IS all about the transformation and manifestation of vibration (sound). Aside from doing my 9th grade science project on what sound waves at various frequencies look like, when iron filings on an aluminum sheet are laid atop a speaker, and later, all the TM stuff, that's about as far as it goes for me. Nowadays, its either my tinnitus, or everything sings, or both.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I didn't say it was HIndu worship, I said it is a Hindu > > devotional practice > > Oh, please. That's a distinction without a difference, > and you know it. > > emptybill's posts are a strong rebuttal of your skinboy > pal's claims, and you've made it only too clear you have > no substantive counter-rebuttal. > > If somebody else has a good response, let's hear it. > We're sure not going to get one from Michael. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:23 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back > > > > > >  > > empty, if I may, I'm going to quote your follow-up post > > reinforcing the point: > > > > "Baba Hari Dass is an impeccable yogin possessed of vairagya and > > dispossessed of any agenda. He is the "yogin's yogin". My point was to call > > attention to an alternate authoritative source - someone able to explain > > the distinction between mantra-dhyana and mantra-japa. The key is to > > recognize that a mantra can be used in meditation simply for its sound > > value, without any reference to meaning. While this may seem over-obvious > > to TM and Sahaj Samadhi meditators, this is what demarcates it from > > ordinary language. > > > > "Used in this way, mantric sound is part of the human sensorium but is > > self-generated in the same way that speech is. This kind of bare sensoria > > is non-conceptual and does not require analysis to be perceived. Bija > > mantras are yogic tools for just this type of non-conceptual (nirvikalpa) > > direct cognition. > > > > "The fact is that MMY told us the truth about mantras and their proper > > yogic use in TM. The cultural artifact is that Indians use mantras for Japa > > to a hindu deity - it is just a datum of the Indian mind set. No > > self-respecting "Hindu" conducts their life without a least 20-30 mantras > > on-hand at all times (except the Indian communists). TM/Sahaj Samadhi > > meditators do not, unless they choose to worship a deva. > > > > "When someone tells us such meditation is hindu worship then they are > > simply misinformed, ignorant or ideologues." > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > > > > > Outside of your personal opinions, your statements about the TM > > > technique are not accurate. > > > > > > M.Jack says: > > > > > > TM is not a simple mental technique making use of meaningless sounds. > > > It is in fact a Hindu devotional practice of chanting (silently) the > > > names of Hindu goddesses. > > > > > > In reply, here is a previous post discussing the differences between > > > meditation-mantra and devotional-japa. > > > > > > ************************************************************************\ > > > * > > > > > > Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by some former > > > TM'ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were > > > deceived about the "meaning" of mantras. > > > > > > Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The > > > claim is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for > > > worshiping a Hindu god but that this fact is withheld from > > > practitioners. Within the domain of this argument, these claimants will > > > often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra. These are passages usually > > > assigning a particular deity to a particular mantra and sometimes even > > > assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit letters composing the > > > written forms of the mantric sound. This textual assignment is sometimes > > > done haphazardly and occasionally is done in the Vedic format of > > > rishi-deva-chhanda. > > > > > > Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a statement by MMY, > > > declaring that a mantra is a "sound whose effect is known". This > > > argument quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the > > > beneficial effects it produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of > > > perception. This explanation is then paraded as an example of shameful > > > exploitation of Western ignorance of the "Hindu" foundation of TM and of > > > any other Indian meditation that does not confess itself as a form of > > > "Hindu devotionalism". This devotionalist criticism is further paraded > > > by pointing to various Indian swamis and cross-eyed yogis who make these > > > same claims and arguments themselves. > > > > > > Some considerations about these claims: > > > > > > SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the > > > West. They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural > > > model. Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they > > > did not present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although > > > Buddhism is from India and many Indian consider Buddha one of their own, > > > neither SBS nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, > > > they taught within the cultural context of their listeners. > > > > > > After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within a > > > similar Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model > > > established by Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda â€" partly > > > religious, partly philosophical and partly yogic. However the cultural > > > context of this form of teachings was the 19th and 20th century paradigm > > > of Western Modernity. > > > > > > When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and of religious > > > language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left some > > > of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example. > > > > > > This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or > > > SBS is an inaccurate over-simplification. > > > > > > As far as the "it is all a deceit" claimants, the two groups > > > that are the most antagonist and strident are the materialists and the > > > religionists. Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of > > > hindoo gods and that the concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded > > > by power brokers to enslave the masses. This is a truncated Marxist view > > > popular among the half-educated. > > > > > > Contrary to this, the religionists claim that mantras are secret demonic > > > traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of > > > true-believer adherents of the Abrahamic religions â€" Jews, > > > Christians and Muslims. This is not simply a fundamentalist diatribe > > > from TV evangelicals. This was the original view of Christians from the > > > second century C.E. forward and after Constantine's ascent to Roman > > > power was used as incinerating ideological propellant for killing > > > polytheists. > > > > > > What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider > > > the facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori > > > conclusions. One example of this is a clear demarcation about the > > > difference between yoga and religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea > > > because yoga historically emerged within in a Hindu cultural context. > > > Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for the same reason. > > > > > > If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating > > > Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and > > > complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. > > > Most of them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and > > > Tantric lineages of practice. They also do not understand how these > > > three streams developed and then intertwined into Hindu temple rites. > > > They don't know vidhi from vedi.* > > > > > > Even more surprising, most swamis and imported, so-called "yogis" are > > > not Pandits, Indologists, or Sanskritists. Very few are formally > > > educated in the yoga traditions of the Indian subcontinent. Most are > > > only trained in asana, pranayam and japa. A little bhakti here, a few > > > Upanishad citations there and "om tat sat" - I'm a guru. > > > > > > Faced with this, most of us Westerners who meditate are at a > > > disadvantage when presented with claims that we are not educated to > > > conceptualize within an informed view. > > > > > > So, to counter-point this misunderstanding, I am providing a short but > > > authoritative quotation from an impeccable yogic source about the > > > difference between mantra practice in both yogic and devotional sadhana > > > practice. > > > > > > Hari Dass Baba (the upa-guru of Ram Dass) > > > > > > Quotes on the difference between Mantra practice and Japa practice. > > > > > > 1. Mantra is the repetition of sounds or words which have power due > > > to the vibration of the sound itself. > > > > > > 2. Japa is the rhythmic repetition of a name of God. > > > > > > It (Japa) consists of automatic Pranayama, concentration and > > > meditation. The main idea in doing Japa is to make the mind thoughtless. > > > Then automatically body consciousness disappears. If your body > > > consciousness disappears, it means your sadhana is going well. The body > > > is the medium of sadhana and the body is the hindrance in sadhana. Japa > > > is a formal method of worshipping God. It should be done privately and > > > preferably with a mala, or rosary. > > > > > > Silence Speaks: from the chalkboard of Baba Hari Dass, 1977 (my > > > bolding). > > > > > > *vidhi is a specific method of puja. Vedi is the altar used in yajna. > > > > > > As an addendum: Western Buddhists are slightly more educated about the > > > various streams of Buddhism but on the other hand they read a lot. In > > > reality they don't know much about the differences in viewpoints or > > > sadhana practice between Theravada, Mahayana and Tantra. They know even > > > less about the differences in basic view between Zen, Tantra, Mahamudra > > > and Dzogchen. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So since they aren't posting my comment - here it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > I began TM in 1974 and enjoyed it enough to become a real TM > > > > fanatic and cheerleader. As the years went by, I left the TM Movement > > > due to > > > > the huge disconnect between the promises of TM and what it actually > > > delivered, > > > > especially the awful, arrogant deceitful behavior of even the low to > > > mid level > > > > managers of the TM organization, much less the leaders of the > > > Movement. > > > > > > > > Lynch is spearheading a very carefully orchestrated effort > > > > to sanitize the TM's image to a pre-1976 luster. 1976 was the year > > > their > > > > Maharishi announced the TM Sidhi program to the world. The TM Movement > > > can > > > > honestly be characterized as a decades long flow of dishonesty and > > > deceit, > > > > taking money under false pretenses and very unpleasant behavior on the > > > part of > > > > those who administrate the Movement. > > > > > > > > I had the pleasure of speaking at some length with someone > > > > who spent years as Maharishi's personal secretary and for all his > > > praise of the > > > > man, this person told me that it was clear that the leader of the TM > > > movement > > > > was totally focused on sex, money and personal power. What the Big M > > > created, > > > > his Movement perpetuates. > > > > > > > > TM is not a simple mental technique making use of > > > > meaningless sounds. It is in fact a Hindu devotional practice of > > > chanting > > > > (silently) the names of Hindu goddesses. And that is alright as long > > > as you are > > > > upfront about what you are doing. For my money and in my experience, > > > TM is one > > > > big scam. After more than 20 years I stopped doing TM and never looked > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I hope you can post your comment here. Please, please, please!? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks nabby for posting - I put my own nice comment there - let's > > > see if they have the guts to post it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:11 PM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] David Lynch Is Back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Advertise on NYTimes.com > > > > > David Lynch Is Back … as a Guru of Transcendental > > > Meditation > > > > > > > > > > David Lynch for The New York Times > > > > > David Lynch took a self-portrait at Idem Paris, a fine-art printing > > > studio, in December. > > > > >  > > > > > Article at The New York Times here: > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-me\ > > > ditation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
