--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Great subject! My take on it is he always wanted those who followed him to, > > one, not get caught up in our heads, and two, by presenting a far reaching > > benchmark, to keep us humble, and recognize that Divine Grace is a long > > term union. > > > > Interesting. I like that idea of the reaching and the humility. I love to be > given a goal, something to strive, work for. It makes life seem so full of > possibilities, gives it stretch and reach and undefinable limits. Nothing > seems worse to me than the known, than something extending into the future > that has realized limits.
**Yep, after awhile, for all practical purposes, there is no longer an unknown. Everything simply, dynamically falls into place. A weird phenomenon, where there is both the sense of stability, and at the same time constant change, expansion of awareness, with no conflict. > > > As to whether or not physical flying is desirable, the question becomes > > *less* relevant with spiritual progress. Ordinary life begins to become so > > extraordinary, so full, so lush and wondrous, that the imaginings of the > > bound ego don't really capture the attention any longer. > > I don't know about the bound ego but I do know about the lushness and > wondrous quality of life. I'm like a little kid waking up each morning as if > it's Christmas. I'm one of those leapers-out-of-bed each day. **Me too! Definitely! I enjoy waking up before dawn, and watching the light come up, hearing the birds, and traffic become active. Then it is adventure time! > > > > So, Maharishi laid a land mine, a challenge to each of us, to fly. To at > > least set the boundaries of experience far beyond our common ones. As we > > approach the ability, we recognize freedom engulfing us, and learning to > > fly takes on a more accessible meaning. > > I never think about flying. Just being able to walk upright and realize all > those body parts are functioning coherently is miracle enough. Just having a > body is enough. When you can marvel and wonder at the 'everyday' things very > little else seems to supersede that. Everything is a source of amazement, at > least in my little world. Now I am going to go eat dinner - another > astounding feat. **Yeah! It isn't only in the diversity, also the deep appreciation. > > > > Let's fly. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > Ann, > > > > > > From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able > > > to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that > > > TMers can fly using his method? > > > > > > Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have > > > levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can > > > be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, > > > specifically that of enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? > > > > > > > > Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to > > > > enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be > > > > able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? > > > > Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to > > > > look at? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting quote, with the URL - > > > > > > > > > > > > Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be > > > > > > enlightened and I > > > > > > hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One > > > > > > man > > > > > > said that he was "the new Osho" and invited me to visit his Web > > > > > > page. > > > > > > His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much > > > > > > self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who > > > > > > he > > > > > > claimed were practicing "Tantra." So for him "enlightenment" and > > > > > > being > > > > > > "the new Osho" literally means to be a pimp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that > > > > > > reading > > > > > > Osho's books helped him get over his "mental illness" and now he > > > > > > was > > > > > > "enlightened" himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite > > > > > > my > > > > > > Web page to make it "less judgmental" and suggested that Osho's > > > > > > hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. > > > > > > Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young > > > > > > woman, who > > > > > > grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make > > > > > > money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that > > > > > > she > > > > > > should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. > > > > > > Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money > > > > > > hungry gurus out there already. > > > > > > > > > > > > It shocks me to find > > > > > > that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were > > > > > > committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their > > > > > > own > > > > > > movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the > > > > > > germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a > > > > > > restaurant in > > > > > > Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around > > > > > > the > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > >  The attitude > > > > > > of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their > > > > > > psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or > > > > > > how > > > > > > unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except > > > > > > them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel > > > > > > that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to > > > > > > buy a gun and a > > > > > > gas mask. > > > > > > > > > > > > The amount of > > > > > > historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh > > > > > > disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their > > > > > > state of mind > > > > > > is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of > > > > > > the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a > > > > > > devil. > > > > > > Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and > > > > > > all > > > > > > they claim to see on my Web page is "hate and anger." Of course > > > > > > they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does > > > > > > not share > > > > > > their own narrow beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: seventhray27 <steve.sundur@> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hey Michael, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain > > > > > > something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual > > > > > > history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which > > > > > > of course you would disregard. No matter. > > > > > > And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to > > > > > > Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship > > > > > > for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, > > > > > > like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that > > > > > > one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black > > > > > > people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like > > > > > > Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young > > > > > > boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story > > > > > > correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had > > > > > > accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana > > > > > > Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am > > > > > > missing many in the like column. > > > > > > I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the > > > > > > bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different > > > > > > paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these > > > > > > practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult > > > > > > elements. > > > > > > But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the > > > > > > positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly > > > > > > focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an > > > > > > outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. > > > > > > And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in > > > > > > your personal life. I hope well. > > > > > >  > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not surprised that you would like him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:46 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary.àToo bad you had to > > > > > > > register to read more.àMay do that at a later.àI always > > > > > > > did like Osho.àAnd too bad he ran into so much turbulence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > Interesting commentary by Osho: > > > > > > > > http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-ecstasy-shiva-shakti-sahasrar-3d72e38d-899.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When this lotus moves upward and blooms, it is said in yoga > > > > > > > > scriptures, "It is as resplendent as ten million suns and ten > > > > > > > > million moons." One moon and one sun meet in your being. That > > > > > > > > becomes the possibility of the meeting of ten million suns and > > > > > > > > ten million moons. You have found the key of the ultimate > > > > > > > > orgasm, where ten million moons meet ten million suns ââ¬" > > > > > > > > ten million females meet ten million males. You can think of > > > > > > > > the ecstasyââ¬Â¦. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
