--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > How bout neither?
MJ, Please, see my response to Judy on her reply to this question. Then, you can find out about my position on this matter. JR > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John <jr_esq@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:22 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were > > > > > known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, > > > > > levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine > > > > > one's state of consciousness, specifically that of > > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > John, this is way too simplistic and creates significant > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > The saints had no *intention* of levitating; it was > > > > involuntary, and in many cases unwelcome--frightening and > > > > overwhelming. Teresa actually prayed that it wouldn't > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > Any devout Catholic, moreover, would be appalled at the > > > > idea of such performances being used as a criterion of > > > > spiritual development; that would be strictly against > > > > Church doctrine. And the saints would never want to > > > > attract attention to themselves in that way. > > > > > > > > Aside from the issue of whether levitation is possible, > > > > there really isn't any commonality between the > > > > significance of levitation in the Western (Catholic) > > > > tradition and its significance in the Eastern tradition. > > > > You can't use one to justify the other. > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > Levitation is the quick test for those who claim to be > > > enlightened, in particular, those who follow Osho's > > > techniques and philosophy. Otherwise, it may take a > > > very long time to prove conclusively that a person is > > > enlightened. Specifically, the Vatican has a very > > > exhaustive method for canonizing a saint. > > > > John, I have no idea what any of this has to do with what > > I said. I don't think you read what I wrote. > > > > The saints who levitated did not claim to be "enlightened," > > nor could they have passed that test. > > > > Canonization by the Vatican has nothing to do with the > > Eastern concept of enlightenment. This is all apples and > > kiwi fruit. Church sainthood and enlightenment are not > > at all the same thing. > > > Hey Judy, > > Please, tell us what is the difference between an enlightened person and a > saint? Do you think MMY was enlightened or a saint? > > JR >
