Are you responding to Bhairitu or to Curtisdeltablues here?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sharalyn" <homeonthefarm@...> wrote:
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> What you write here not only confuses the issue with a lot of unrelated 
> fluff, it complicates it with unsubstantiated personal opinion and an 
> obviously prejudiced agenda.  What gives you any authority to make the claims 
> you make? Have you personally worked in the research labs? I don't want an 
> answer to that for I can see by your style of writing that you can't give a 
> focused, non-emotional, objective response. I just wanted to express my 
> irritation that you used my question as a springboard for an off-topic 
> personal tirade.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
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> > On 03/06/2013 01:35 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > > The key is being able to answer the question: " Is there a test even in 
> > > principle, that could show that the theory is false?".  It often involves 
> > > making the claim more precise.  But even your second example: The brain 
> > > waves of students practicing TM show increased coherence, might be 
> > > unfalsifiable depending on how you define "coherence".  And remember 
> > > coherence is a mathematical model being applied to the raw data.  It is 
> > > very easy to massage the numbers to show some type of "coherence".  For 
> > > it to be falsifiable it must be possible for someone to go through the 
> > > test and for them to say "our theory is not valid, coherence does not 
> > > increase."
> > >
> > > But that isn't how the movement uses science for marketing.  Movement 
> > > scientists would just continue to manipulate the data using different 
> > > formulas until something they could call coherence could be found.  In TM 
> > > research, it is never a possible outcome that TM ever does anything bad 
> > > to a person, or that positive benefits are not "proven".  If the 
> > > experiment doesn't show what they already believe, the frame around the 
> > > experiment is shifted until it shows something positive.
> > >
> > > Framing a test in a way that is falsifiable requires a detachment from 
> > > the outcome.  You have to really care enough about the truth to plug up 
> > > all the loopholes that compromise falsifiability. We have many cognitive 
> > > biases toward winging it when it comes to our beliefs.  Few people really 
> > > want to go through the hard work it would take to really test something.
> > >
> > > So yes you need precision in formulating the hypothesis, but that is not 
> > > enough.  You have to understand how each variable affects the test.  Our 
> > > big pharma testing system has the exact same problems movement research 
> > > has.  They are always ready to turn capillary dilators into boner pills.  
> > > They are not setting up the research with big bucks to find out that the 
> > > pill does more harm than good.
> > >
> > > Lots of New Age "medical" practices operate this way.  The results are so 
> > > vague that there is no way for you to conclude that it just didn't work.  
> > > Every result has an explanation, but the system itself is never tested 
> > > rigorously.
> > 
> > Of course the problem there is that alternative medical practices simply 
> > don't have the money to do such testing.  And some of those cures are so 
> > simple including ones that are even "kitchen cabinet" just using herbs 
> > you may have there.  No money in that for big pharma so instead they try 
> > to destroy alternative medicine so they can sell you expensive cures.  
> > Unrestrained capitalism is a crime against humanity.
> > 
> > That said, fortunately over the years some of the simple cures do get 
> > tested.  I recall that in the 1970s a dentist in Florida had some 
> > program to use just baking soda for dental care.  Of course he was 
> > lambasted as a "quack".  Now go to your supermarket and take a look at 
> > toothpaste that includes or advertises baking soda used. Ayurveda 
> > suggests turmeric or even triphala as a mouth wash to prevent 
> > gingivitis.  I have use Crest's Total Health which I noticed is as 
> > astringent as those two herbs and would bet that astringency is at the 
> > basis of the cure.
> >
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