Oh no seeklib - no holistic or any other regimented lifestyle for me ever. In 
fact I met someone yesterday and I was glad I did because she supposedly 
started meditating and following a yogi lifestyle. But she seemed so perfect 
the way she was and I quickly dissuaded her from meditation and/or any other 
life-numbing regimented practices. I think she understood what I was saying - I 
hope she remains uncorrupted. Anyway I will try my best when if and when I meet 
her again.

So yeah a few beers sounds awesome seeklib - you seem like a real nice guy. 
Let's forget about all this stupid confrontations.

Ravi

On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "seekliberation" <seekliberat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> we can always just go out and have a few beers instead....if i'm out that way 
> anytime in the future, unless of course you don't drink. I'm assuming you may 
> be more into a holistic lifestyle that doesn't include alcohol, but I also 
> know quite a few meditators that will go on a splurge once in a while. For 
> me, it's one of my 'mediocre' activities (among others).
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Close to Camp Pendleton - but seeklib I have some terrible news, the Feds 
> > pulled the plug on this whole thing - god just when I had a chance of a 
> > confrontation with someone from FFL. That's the thing with Obama - some 
> > wonderful things and some not so wonderful things. This is why I feel so 
> > good reading Xeno, I feel safe, secure, seemingly unaccountable for 
> > anything because I know there are excellent things, good things and 
> > average, mediocre and bad. No one is perfect - everyone has flaws. OMG - 
> > this platitude waving, fence sitting language is really turning me on. I 
> > feel myself slipping into Unity from this bliss that's arising after 
> > diminishing life's complexities into a set of platitudes.
> > 
> > No worries seeklib - so I'm fine. We can still meet, we will adapt - on the 
> > streets somewhere - it's all good.
> > 
> > On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:49 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > What is the name of the place you run? Is it on Camp Pendleton, or just 
> > > near it? I've never been at Pendleton for any longer than a couple 
> > > months, but some of my friends said that there are some pro/ameatur 
> > > fighters that come and train with them on the base there. Glad to see 
> > > your sense of humor is still intact.
> > > 
> > > seekliberation
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, no seeklib - this is all legal, legit - federally approved, funded 
> > > > centre that I run where we have controlled, combat style confrontations 
> > > > - so yeah bring all your combat gear. I mean I undertook a massive 
> > > > research on how to reduce butt bleeding for fence sitters on spiritual 
> > > > forums. I am surprised a military man like you has never heard of this. 
> > > > Yeah I'm a very popular man at Camp Pendleton - here's a photo of mine 
> > > > on a completely unrelated blog post
> > > > 
> > > > http://ravirawat.blogspot.com/2012/12/women-prefer-thin-men-over-macho-males.html?m=1
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:48 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm in the military, so it's likely I could get stationed there some 
> > > > > day, and I go to training there once in a while. Whenever I go 
> > > > > anywhere for training, I try to find a school to train at just for a 
> > > > > day or two by paying daily costs only just so I don't lose everything.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As far as 'physical confrontation fantasized below'....if you're 
> > > > > talking about a street fight, or something outside of a fighting 
> > > > > arena with some safety measures in place....then i'll just pass your 
> > > > > rant off and not respond any further. Moreover, even if it was in a 
> > > > > safe environment, if I sense any intention to cause serious bodily 
> > > > > harm, that turns this into a self-defense issue, in which case there 
> > > > > are no tap-outs, either something breaks, or someone goes to sleep. 
> > > > > I'm not engaging in that. Moreover, there is nothing that I posted 
> > > > > towards you that should invoke a desire to cause serious harm to me. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that perhaps you have some place you train at. Do you? If 
> > > > > so, i'll get in touch with you if I ever head out that way and try to 
> > > > > link up with you at that gym. I never get to train/spar with other 
> > > > > meditators/siddhas (I am assuming you are one), so it would be an 
> > > > > honor likewise. However....like I said before, if you're looking at a 
> > > > > no-shit fight, i'm sure you've got plenty of fighters right there in 
> > > > > Encinitas to work with. I know a lot of pro/amaetur fighters that 
> > > > > come from there, you don't need me one bit...you've already got your 
> > > > > work cut out for you in southern Cali which is the home of a ton of 
> > > > > great fighters. Moreover, my career will shit the bed if i'm known to 
> > > > > be getting in real fights without due cause. And if an investigation 
> > > > > occured, this whole conversation would incriminate both of us. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You sound like someone who lives a bit on the edge while I have a 
> > > > > career and a wife to take care of, so I have to go the conservative 
> > > > > route with this one.
> > > > > 
> > > > > By the way...from your posts, i've seen plenty of others say some 
> > > > > pretty shitty things to you in the past, what exactly was it from 
> > > > > mine that caused you to mention violence? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > seekliberation
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > <chivukula.ravi@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome - email me when you are in the San Diego area, I am in 
> > > > > > Encinitas. It will be an honor to confront you personally. (I'm 
> > > > > > hoping you are not Brain dead enough to think this is some physical 
> > > > > > confrontation as fantasized below..LOL)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Till then enjoy your vacation and continue your orgies with Xeno.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:16 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Pitbull over a poodle? If you're looking for a sparring partner, 
> > > > > > > i'm in NC, let me know if you visit. To keep things legal, 
> > > > > > > gloves, headgear, mouthpiece are required and we'll maintain our 
> > > > > > > sparring bout in a controlled environment (boxing ring, wrestling 
> > > > > > > mat, etc..). I travel a lot, so chances are I may end up in your 
> > > > > > > state some day as well. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > seekliberation
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > > > <chivukula.ravi@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are a fucking idiot seeklib - take your fence-sitting, 
> > > > > > > > garbage
> > > > > > > > platitude belief system elsewhere or have an orgy with Xeno.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Clearly you have read my posts but it hasn't gone into your 
> > > > > > > > fucking head
> > > > > > > > because of the dense fucking belief system you have insulated 
> > > > > > > > yourselves
> > > > > > > > with. I don't take insults - I'm a fucking giver you hear me, I 
> > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > compassionate you dumb moron - I give, I give insults and am 
> > > > > > > > the most
> > > > > > > > coolest, meanest, relaxed person and I hope you are fortunate 
> > > > > > > > enough to
> > > > > > > > never meet me because I will be all over you like a pitbull 
> > > > > > > > over a poodle.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, seekliberation
> > > > > > > > <seekliberation@>wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dude, take something to relax, soon. I never mentioned 
> > > > > > > > > anything about
> > > > > > > > > 'mediocre minds', only 'mediocre posts'. I don't know any 
> > > > > > > > > 'mediocre minds'
> > > > > > > > > on this forum at all, but have seen many mediocre posts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For example, TurqB is by no means a dunce when it comes to 
> > > > > > > > > his depth of
> > > > > > > > > thought on some subjects....be he has a lot of mediocre posts 
> > > > > > > > > where he does
> > > > > > > > > nothing but rant about something (or someone) who is 
> > > > > > > > > irritating him on FFL.
> > > > > > > > > That's my example of a mediocre post. Or in your case, 
> > > > > > > > > ranting and refering
> > > > > > > > > to me as an idiot, another mediocre post. I've read a lot of 
> > > > > > > > > your posts and
> > > > > > > > > know you have a lot better things to share than that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I remember there was a time when FFL first started, it was 
> > > > > > > > > primarily about
> > > > > > > > > topics regarding spirituality, religion, and it's all the 
> > > > > > > > > philisophical
> > > > > > > > > topics that I miss. In the last 2-3 years, maybe even longer, 
> > > > > > > > > it has become
> > > > > > > > > a soap opera. In every soap opera, you've got your romances 
> > > > > > > > > (bonds between
> > > > > > > > > specific posters), you have your villian (TurqB), and you've 
> > > > > > > > > got several
> > > > > > > > > other posters who seem to come off as positive or negative, 
> > > > > > > > > depending on
> > > > > > > > > everyone's perception. As a result, we have a lot of dull 
> > > > > > > > > episodes that
> > > > > > > > > drag on, in which case I tend to stop participating. Then 
> > > > > > > > > something that
> > > > > > > > > looks deep or thoughtful comes along (or just something that 
> > > > > > > > > resonates with
> > > > > > > > > me), and I like to throw in a sentance or two that results in 
> > > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > > > > responses. I'm not irritated by it, I just recognize it for 
> > > > > > > > > what it is. Not
> > > > > > > > > every class at MIU/MUM was the greatest, but there were 
> > > > > > > > > pearls of wisdom
> > > > > > > > > often enough. Not every moment with my wife, nor every 
> > > > > > > > > workout at the gym
> > > > > > > > > is awesome....but i'll always stick with it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So if you took insult....relax. It's just another lifetime.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > seekliberation
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > > > > > <chivukula.ravi@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck 
> > > > > > > > > > have you have
> > > > > > > > > been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have 
> > > > > > > > > you ever met
> > > > > > > > > Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each 
> > > > > > > > > other.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, "seekliberation" 
> > > > > > > > > > <seekliberation@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen 
> > > > > > > > > > > much over the
> > > > > > > > > last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I 
> > > > > > > > > will say
> > > > > > > > > however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been 
> > > > > > > > > somewhat atrocious.
> > > > > > > > > Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical 
> > > > > > > > > point, it
> > > > > > > > > turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, 
> > > > > > > > > nothing can be
> > > > > > > > > great all the time. There will always be dull moments, 
> > > > > > > > > exciting moments,
> > > > > > > > > and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no 
> > > > > > > > > exception, and
> > > > > > > > > therefore nothing to really complain about.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb 
> > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the
> > > > > > > > > > > > events of the last few days on FFL as anything other 
> > > > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > the same people repeating the same things they've done
> > > > > > > > > > > > for years.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her 
> > > > > > > > > > > > long,
> > > > > > > > > > > > "I win by definition" arguments by *appearing* to ask
> > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > tries
> > > > > > > > > > > > his best to address her questions, while respecting the
> > > > > > > > > > > > fact that she sees things that way, given her 
> > > > > > > > > > > > near-absolute
> > > > > > > > > > > > lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > things it teaches are the same as that presented in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > intro lectures.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Judy
> > > > > > > > > > > > was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > > > questions in the first place, after all, to open up an
> > > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term 
> > > > > > > > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > > and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure
> > > > > > > >

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