--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > Come ooooon, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing > > > for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much > > > he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for > > > bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? > > > Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New > > > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."? > > > > As a matter of fact, yes: > > > > "I might also point out that searching the Web for information > > to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior." > > - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013 > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to > the bait.)
No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. > > Also: > > > > "Repetition is the mother of retention." > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 > > > > > times more eloquently that I do > > > > > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's > > > > said it 10 times before here: > > > > > > > > 2/4/13 > > > > > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney > > > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held > > > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could > > > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed > > > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what > > > > he had been capable of doing all along. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2/8/11 > > > > > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as > > > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney > > > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been > > > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't > > > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long > > > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in > > > > his fictional case, literally). > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2/15/10 > > > > > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's > > > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a > > > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he > > > > could realize it. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/3/09 > > > > > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges" > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather." > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and > > > > has always already been present. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 > > > > > > > > > > > > 4/29/08 > > > > > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 > > > > > > > > > > > > 6/30/07 > > > > > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic- > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears > > > > to "work." > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/24/06 > > > > > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather" > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known > > > > as moodmaking. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/30/06 > > > > > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had > > > > always been available to him. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5/8/06 > > > > > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to > > > > fly was always present, just not realized. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3/18/06 > > > > > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able > > > > to fly. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the > > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I > > > > > would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy > > > > > to look it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual > > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO > > > > > > > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked > > > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you > > > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a > > > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him > > > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his > > > > > trunk. > > > > > > > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. > > > > > > > > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick > > > > > people into recognizing what has always already been > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks > > > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* > > > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not > > > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: sound of stillness <soundofstillness@> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual > > > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the > > > > > > True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute > > > > > > made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention? > > > > > > > > > > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new > > > > > > movement unfolding? > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the vision bro? > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to > > > > > > > come forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to > > > > > > > those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable > > > > > > > behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break > > > > > > > from the past. Even for the guy at the top. > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here > > > > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. > > > > > > > > > Such synchrony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new > > > > > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in > > > > > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going > > > > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, > > > > > > > > > > otherwise the movement in India will be dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the newspaper accounts > > > > > > > > it is more than sexual harassment, > > > > > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have > > > > > > > > > > sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > > > > > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, > > > > > > > > > > > or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone around it now, for all the good people who > > > > > > > > > > > > work properly with extreme propriety to make things > > > > > > > > > > > > work well and achieve great things. This is > > > > > > > > > > > > disheartening sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop > > > > > > > > > > > > > <williamgcoop@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > molestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya Mandir in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has filed a complaint against the chairman of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mental torture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incident earlier this year at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to Bhopal couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also worked with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cooperate with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > husband take her along > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a five star hotel was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > husband away on errands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then molest her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ostracism but when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decided to file a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > husband had been trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with claims that he sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maligned Varma's image on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > social networking sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
