--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - > I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless > of what anyone else thinks -Â I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike > Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.
And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM again. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "doctordumbass@..." <doctordumbass@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The > New Movement" - Buck > > > Â > Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in > this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They > very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the > need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. > > No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to > his golden oldies. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 > > > times more eloquently that I do > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's > > said it 10 times before here: > > > > 2/4/13 > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what > > he had been capable of doing all along. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 > > > > > > 2/8/11 > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in > > his fictional case, literally). > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 > > > > > > 2/15/10 > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he > > could realize it. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 > > > > > > 9/3/09 > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges" > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather." > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick > > the person into realizing what is already present, and > > has always already been present. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 > > > > > > 4/29/08 > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into > > doing what he had been able to do all along. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 > > > > > > 6/30/07 > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic- > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, > > that's the only reason that astrology appears > > to "work." > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 > > > > > > 11/24/06 > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather" > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known > > as moodmaking. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 > > > > > > 10/30/06 > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had > > always been available to him. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 > > > > > > 5/8/06 > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to > > fly was always present, just not realized. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 > > > > > > 3/18/06 > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able > > to fly. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 > > > > > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do > > > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - > > > "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO > > > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his > > > trunk. > > > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. > > > > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick > > > people into recognizing what has always already been > > > present. > > > > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: sound of stillness <soundofstillness@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment > > > > - "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True > > > > Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made > > > > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. > > > > > > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention? > > > > > > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new > > > > movement unfolding? > > > > > > > > What's the vision bro? > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come > > > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those > > > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from > > > > > the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. > > > > > Even for the guy at the top. > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here > > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. > > > > > > > Such synchrony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new > > > > > > > > > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in > > > > > > > > > Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, > > > > > > > > otherwise the movement in India will be dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the newspaper accounts > > > > > > it is more than sexual harassment, > > > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual > > > > > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > > > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or > > > > > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for > > > > > > > > > > everyone around it now, for all the good people who work > > > > > > > > > > properly with extreme propriety to make things work well > > > > > > > > > > and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop > > > > > > > > > > > <williamgcoop@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > Mandir in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal> > > > > > > > > > > > > has filed a complaint against the chairman of > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir group > > > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and > > > > > > > > > > > > mental torture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier this year at > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back > > > > > > > > > > > > to Bhopal couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > days ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's > > > > > > > > > > > > Commission (SWC) alleging > > > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who > > > > > > > > > > > > also worked with the > > > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her > > > > > > > > > > > > husband take her along > > > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a > > > > > > > > > > > > five star hotel was > > > > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her > > > > > > > > > > > > husband away on errands > > > > > > > > > > > > and then molest her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social > > > > > > > > > > > > ostracism but when it > > > > > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and > > > > > > > > > > > > decided to file a > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint. > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband > > > > > > > > > > > > had been trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with > > > > > > > > > > > > claims that he sent > > > > > > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and > > > > > > > > > > > > maligned Varma's image on > > > > > > > > > > > > social networking sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
