[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
>
> hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing 
> about all this.  And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that 
> situation (-:
> 
> John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy 
> wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to 
> be a sound.  This makes sense.  Then I wondered: well what about animals 
> and what about human who cannot hear?  And I like how you extend this avenue 
> of thought even farther, John.  But isn't it true that we can only assume 
> that the laws of physics will be preserved?  And are you saying that 
> consciousness is the ultimate perceiver?
>

Share,

Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree.  As such, a 
sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids.  
And, the laws of physics are preserved.  However, that sound will be perceived 
differently by a rock and a human.

JR



> 
> Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions.  
> Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now.
> 
> Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not 
> put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.  Here's another 
> question:  in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc.  has 
> humor occurred?
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: John <jr_esq@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
> Space
>  
> 
>   
> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Share,
> > > 
> > > The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it.  She's 
> > > asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the 
> > > Big Bang.  I can see the following questions coming up:  Is Time the 
> > > essence of God or vice-versa?  Is there time in heaven or the unified 
> > > field?  Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time?  What proof does she 
> > > have to make such statements?
> > > 
> > > JR
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hey John I very much enjoyed this.  Being a word person, was amazed 
> > > > to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. 
> > > >  Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me 
> > > > understand the role of gravity in relation to time.
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its 
> > > > passage.  Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, 
> > > > does it make a sound.  To that I say yes.  Because of the 
> > > > physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves.
> > 
> > Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the 
> > ear drum produce something we call "sound" I would have to say that if 
> > there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not 
> > sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an 
> > ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a 
> > recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he 
> > know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that 
> > mean there is an echo in here?)
> 
> Ann,
> 
> If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, 
> would it make a sound?
> 
> IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, 
> even in a piece of rock.  Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a 
> sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in 
> the exoplanet.
> 
> JR
>