Share, I want to say that although I don't understand most of what you say, I 
do really enjoy your poetry.  Have a lovely day.  



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> From: Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com>
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With 
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>the rocks are listening to everything we say
>as we amble through the forum forest
>and into Gaia they tap their SOS
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> From: John <jr_...@yahoo.com>
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
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>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
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>> hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing 
>> about all this.  And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that 
>> situation (-:
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>> John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy 
>> wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to 
>> be a sound.  This makes sense.  Then I wondered: well what about animals 
>> and what about human who cannot hear?  And I like how you extend this 
>> avenue of thought even farther, John.  But isn't it true that we can only 
>> assume that the laws of physics will be preserved?  And are you saying that 
>> consciousness is the ultimate perceiver?
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>Share,
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>Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree.  As such, 
>a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or 
>humanoids.  And, the laws of physics are preserved.  However, that sound will 
>be perceived differently by a rock and a human.
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>JR
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>> Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. 
>>  Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now.
>> 
>> Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not 
>> put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.  Here's another 
>> question:  in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc.  has 
>> humor occurred?
>> 
>> 
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>>  From: John <jr_esq@...>
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
>> Space
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>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
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>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Share,
>> > > 
>> > > The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it.  She's 
>> > > asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the 
>> > > Big Bang.  I can see the following questions coming up:  Is Time the 
>> > > essence of God or vice-versa?  Is there time in heaven or the unified 
>> > > field?  Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time?  What proof does 
>> > > she have to make such statements?
>> > > 
>> > > JR
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > hey John I very much enjoyed this.  Being a word person, was amazed 
>> > > > to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most 
>> > > > frequently.  Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running 
>> > > > slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time.
>> > > > 
>> > > > I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its 
>> > > > passage.  Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of 
>> > > > people, does it make a sound.  To that I say yes.  Because of 
>> > > > the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves.
>> > 
>> > Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the 
>> > ear drum produce something we call "sound" I would have to say that if 
>> > there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not 
>> > sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument 
>> > (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a 
>> > recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he 
>> > know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that 
>> > mean there is an echo in here?)
>> 
>> Ann,
>> 
>> If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, 
>> would it make a sound?
>> 
>> IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, 
>> even in a piece of rock.  Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a 
>> sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in 
>> the exoplanet.
>> 
>> JR
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