My .02.  When the whole Lenz things came up on FFL  sometime ago, I read
an interview by the Fredster, and yes, I was quite blown away.  I
believe it was at the beginning of his time, when things were untainted.
I then read an interview done several years later, and the shine was off
the feeling I had of his enlightenment, but the core of enlightenment
was still there.

I guess it might be likened to sterling silver that is polished or
tarnished.  The silver content is still there, but brilliance was off.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...>
wrote:
>
> Do you think Lenz was unenlightened and became unenlightened?  Or
what?Â
> Is France still Catholic enough that you all are having a 4 day
weekend?
>
>
>
>
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> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Career As Path (was Re: Majorca Spain to
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > Why do you think he [Rama - Fred Lenz] did himself in?
>
> He *claimed* to some who were close to him that he
> was dying of some undiagnosed and undiagnosable
> illness, and that he just didn't want to waste away
> in some ghastly hospital. I, however, got ahold of
> the coroner's autopsy report, and there was no trace
> of serious disease.
>
> My theory of The Big Why is very simple, and meshes
> well with what people who were close to him said:
> drugs. He'd gotten himself addicted to Valium, first
> prescribed after an injury, but he liked the effects
> of it so much that it had begun to affect both his
> behavior and his judgment. On the Valium label it
> says in big, bold letters, "If you have been taking
> this drug for some time, do NOT try to stop suddenly.
> If you do, you risk side effects including depression,
> psychotic symptoms, and suicide." So what did Mr.
> I-can-handle-it do? He tried to quit taking Valium
> cold turkey. Three days later he was dead, a suicide.
>
> > Were you still involved when that happened?
>
> No, I had left a couple of years earlier, when the
> focus of what it was like to study with him shifted
> away from meditation and things that most (including
> me) considered "spiritual," and began to focus on
> mainly business and career success. Besides, it had
> stopped being fun, so I split. Never regretted it.
>


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