For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most other forms of meditation have opposite effects.
Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the same "place," and group meditation involving more than one school of meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > > Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with > people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This > practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that many > seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve in the > waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified Field] will > commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss will radiate > from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect]. > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from > > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected. > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] > > > Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South. They are group > > > meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group > > > magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect > > > [ME] of meditating in groups. > > > > > > > > > > > Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally > > > > important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization > > > > that one has acquired in private at home. > > > > > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >� > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these > > > > > > > >parts. > > > > > > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the > > > > > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. > > > > > > >� > > > > > > > > > > > > Well sadly, it is about proper values. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at > > > > > reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Really MJ, these > > > > > people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting > > > > > reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at: > > > > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ > > > > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism". Yes certainly, the spirituality of > > > > > > > the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation > > > > > > > practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirants as > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the > > > > > > > degree of > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of > > > > > > > invisible vibratory > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group > > > > > > > > > more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is > > > > > > > > > meditation mind you, not TMSP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just meditating. That is a fair observation. I interview > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time > > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about > > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP. Most people here will say they are > > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their > > > > > > > > spiritual practice. An irony in the recent opening of a > > > > > > > > movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they > > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to > > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to > > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem > > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his > > > > > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many > > > > > > > > just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) > > > > > > > > was a circus more than anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood > > > > > > > > > up before the beginning of program to announce in an > > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he was > > > > > > > > > "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was > > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in > > > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo > > > > > > > > > of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual > > > > > > > > > aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating > > > > > > > > > together increases the degree of Self-realization of each > > > > > > > > > member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory > > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since > > > > > > > > > > > you are realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going > > > > > > > > > > > to let go the reins of power until the Black Camel kneels > > > > > > > > > > > outside their tent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MJ, good question. Like many meditators I am a > > > > > > > > > > practitioner and not necessarily a devotee. In groups > > > > > > > > > > meditators commonly go where the field effect of shakti is > > > > > > > > > > of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency]. Like most I > > > > > > > > > > look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation > > > > > > > > > > and to providing a group meditation. Nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > Evidently I am much more in line with Brahmananda Saraswati > > > > > > > > > > [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they > > > > > > > > > > would do a better job of facilitating the group program and > > > > > > > > > > the Meissner Effect of group meditation. They have failed > > > > > > > > > > miserably at that and for that by good science the > > > > > > > > > > leadership should be held accountable for as a crime > > > > > > > > > > against humanity. Look back at any of the glossy TM > > > > > > > > > > publications for the last 40 years and it is the same guys > > > > > > > > > > in the thumbnail photos in charge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the > > > > > > > > > > Prime Minister answered questions last month live in > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield is that he was unchanged. Was a sinking feeling > > > > > > > > > > for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are valiantly > > > > > > > > > > trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that > > > > > > > > > > so-called community meeting particularly where he shut up > > > > > > > > > > the only person in the room starting to bring up > > > > > > > > > > substantial points around communal fear, lack of > > > > > > > > > > transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It must be very discouraging for the progressive > > > > > > > > > > Hagelin-ites trying to re-ignite a meditating movement > > > > > > > > > > dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud when Bevan holds > > > > > > > > > > the trump cards. Actually I know it is. Everyone from the > > > > > > > > > > top down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The > > > > > > > > > > black camel kneeling thing. When that happens like in all > > > > > > > > > > post-charismatic movements sensible things can get done by > > > > > > > > > > corporate consensus afterwords. There is a lot of > > > > > > > > > > precedent in history for that. But then TM'ers don't study > > > > > > > > > > history to know, I am just a journalist. However, I still > > > > > > > > > > like this YouTube clip the best to see what is going on in > > > > > > > > > > TM now. It is very exciting. Of course skip the > > > > > > > > > > advertisement in the beginning but see it through to the > > > > > > > > > > finish: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSl-6aC6GEQ > > > > > > > > > > Spoiler: spot Orb to the end! > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > Dear MJ; Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad > > > > > > > > > > > behavior of TM and its leaders, MJ given the science and > > > > > > > > > > > experience of meditation now I am concerned that you are > > > > > > > > > > > not in a group meditating. I have noticed that the > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda people are open to having people meditate along > > > > > > > > > > > with them in their group meditations. They can have very > > > > > > > > > > > powerful group meditations [field effect] that one can > > > > > > > > > > > sit with when traveling away. Look for SRF on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > I was just up in Minneapolis and they have a real nice > > > > > > > > > > > meditation place. Turns out that Yogananda taught there > > > > > > > > > > > in the 1920's for some time and they have had a group > > > > > > > > > > > meditation since. They have a silent practice that other > > > > > > > > > > > meditators can sit in with so long as you are not > > > > > > > > > > > disturbing their practice. Look on the web for a place. > > > > > > > > > > > SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other > > > > > > > > > > > notable disaffected meditators here too. > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you believed him? What did you expect him to say > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are a bunch of elitist lying thieving crooks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last > > > > > > > > > > > > nite for Badge holders or course office vetted only. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing so secret though was said that the > > > > > > > > > > > > rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any > > > > > > > > > > > > public non-meditator would not have been inspired by. > > > > > > > > > > > > Was evidently a lost opportunity to have asked the old > > > > > > > > > > > > meditators of the community back in like the old days. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of > > > > > > > > > > > > how the movement is doing. Much progress has been made > > > > > > > > > > > > since he re-oriented things from the time of > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's death [2008]. The movement is doing quite > > > > > > > > > > > > well in modern retrofit. You all should take another > > > > > > > > > > > > look at http://www.tm.org/about-us TM.org. TM is on > > > > > > > > > > > > a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any > > > > > > > > > > > > of the past controversies. Moving forward, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" > > > > > > > > > > > > <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should > > > > > > > > > > > > > be open to all. I don't know what their problem is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has lost itself once again. Incredible. This is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no-brainier, there are two easy days to invite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead the leadership wants to split and be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contentious with people? It is badly incredible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that at a time they are wanting for people they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hold out for an exclusivity over this! Shame on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. They seem determined to bury the old > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fealty testing. This could have been one of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easiest meetings to host in the Domes for everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditating, or the work of the movement. They have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM Guru Purnima; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited. Please bring your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current program badge* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
