Hey, Share! Great question. Well, it can appear to be kind of a big joke, after the fact. In Unity (as I remember my particular experience of it anyhow, and how it often appears to me when any of Us believes oneself to experience it), one is perfectly capable of perceiving the utter identity of oneself and one's object(s) of perception, but deep-down, it can still be something like, "Hey, wow, *I* am in Unity (and you, oddly, enough, are not)!" and hence even something like "Hey, *I* am pretty special here, because *I* am in Unity and no one else appears to be..." and so on.
This seems to be a radically different condition than the onset of BC, because in Unity one still, deep-down, may consider oneself separate from the herd, more "evolved" and therefore to be at the pinnacle of creation, as opposed to BC, where "I" have utterly dissolved into creation; the individual story of growth and self-vs.-other is gone and only creation IS; one literally is nothing (nirguna) and yet contains everything (saguna). And as the fundamental error of the intellect still remains deep-down in Unity, it appears often to take a conscious desire to move "further" and a tweak of the intellect (or numerous tweaks of the intellect) to dissolve the "illusion" of Unity. And as there is apparently a huge (but ultimately illusory) payoff in Unity, it appears the wavicle or the ego is sometimes not in a hurry to give all of that up and "die"... into something radically and perfectly ordinary, something which one and everyone has been all along and one somehow managed to overlook and superimpose some glamour on. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Rory, I don't understand this at all. I thought that in Unity one is one with > all. How could that possible mean being lord of all? Could it not be that > people remain in Unity for decades because there is one heck of a lot of > integrating going on? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: RoryGoff <rorygoff@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:00 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > Â > Yeah, I don't know, but I am pretty sure I know one or more people who have > remained in UC or something similar for decades. There is a pay-off for the > ego NOT to go further, for it is at its pinnacle, lord of all it surveys > (LOL) and why would it trade cake for death? :-D > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Sure, agreed about the lack of choice, especially since it has already > > happened. But ten years seems like one heck of a long time to be stuck in > > UC - Can't even conceive of such a thing; a lack of fundamental > > integration, for that length of time - unbelievable. > > > > Yeah, the drain plug gets pulled on all concepts and relative comparisons, > > eventually. Not because they cannot be made, if necessary, but because they > > stop making sense, overall, which is different. And since water flows > > downhill, there is not much sustained thought in that direction, of an > > identity. Whatever it is, is freer to be whatever suits the moment. > > > > There is no holding onto, because not only is there no attachment to the > > object, the subject-object ceases to fuse together into Unity > > Consciousness. Instead, the subject and the object disappear completely, > > paradoxically allowing each to be fully experienced, in the moment, > > encompassing potentially, all and any states of consciousness (SOC). > > > > Encompassing potentially, all SOC, does not mean that access is > > theoretically available for anyone. Sure, that, and five bucks, buys you > > coffee. So, in order to encompass the potential of all SOC, the elimination > > of the subject-object relationship has to occur. > > > > After that, it smooths out - lol > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not sure he had any real choice to do it differently; it seems that > > > I never have. For me, anyhow, Awakening rather destroyed any illusion of > > > free will and real choice I ever had. This is not entirely true, though, > > > of course. > > > > > > True enough though that for some at least UC is not the pinnacle, and the > > > "next step" often involves abjuring the whole idea of steps, and a > > > pinnacle, and growth, and all of that, in a way. :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just that by keeping it to himself, and seeing what came next, he could > > > > have spared himself a lot of drama, and possibly time. That's all. I am > > > > not saying he should have been more contemplative, only that hopefully > > > > he has learned now that UC is not the pinnacle of human consciousness. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I meant all those comments wrt his UC experience. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I figured that, but I don't know how they relate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was going public that fucked him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Going public"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly would have grown out of it sooner, otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Grown out of it"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ten years is a damned long time to be stuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Stuck"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - my assumption is that he stopped TM during that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, he's never said, so we really do not know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy! I haven't eaten lunch yet -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > > > This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he > > > > > > > > > > > "had > > > > > > > > > > > it all" because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at > > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > by what he has said, he stopped doing TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **Heard an expression a long time ago about dropping acid > > > > > > > > > > that serves > > > > > > > > > > as a pretty good guide, "Don't peak too soon". Works for > > > > > > > > > > seekers, and > > > > > > > > > > child actors, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er, it wouldn't have worked for Robin. He had no choice about > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > to "peak." It was involuntary and completely unexpected, and > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > didn't go away for 10-plus years. (And he's never said exactly > > > > > > > > > when he stopped doing TM.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
