But, Tattoo, as I have expressed many, many times, emptiness and fullness are both exemplified by Rich Corinthian Leather!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@...> wrote: > > Gahaha! > > "You see, Tattoo, here on Fantasy Island everyone gets exactly what we > imagine...His fault, your fault; it's all Maya fault..." > > (And if I were asked today, here and now, about my current take on emptiness > and fullness etc., I would have to say, "I have no idea!" That is pretty much > my stock answer for everything.) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Boss Boss de plane de plane!! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, me tattoo! > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK. I personally greatly enjoyed the story of the seven states of > > > > consciousness - Kept me occupied for years, as I continued TM, etc. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, that's what I meant too. It makes perfect sense after the > > > > > > fact, but as a map, it sucks, big time. > > > > > > > > > > That isn't what I'm saying either. Never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. If a person schemes to become enlightened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like > > > > > > > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, > > > > > > > a format, a schedule, a list of "symptoms." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, the very best that they can do is exhaust themselves, which > > > > > > > >oddly enough is how awakening happens. So, yes, there never has > > > > > > > >and never will be a process followed that results in liberation. > > > > > > > >The wraiths on the MUM campus prove that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually > > > > > > > > > ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable > > > > > > > > > scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if > > > > > > > > > someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* > > > > > > > > > experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than > > > > > > > > > others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board > > > > > > > > > "rules" that apply to all individuals without exception, > > > > > > > > > any more than you can do it with the experience of falling > > > > > > > > > in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains > > > > > > > > > just that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My opinion, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually it is true, or at least I have verified it for > > > > > > > > > > myself, that pure awareness cannot be destroyed (muddied?) > > > > > > > > > > after it is established - Believe me, I have tried, > > > > > > > > > > diligently!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very curious thing, though, is that someone can have a > > > > > > > > > > lot of pure awareness established, and yet, until they wake > > > > > > > > > > up from their dream of ego-bound identity, and surrender > > > > > > > > > > completely, the pure awareness stays largely hidden from > > > > > > > > > > view. I look at it as God's game of, "I'll show you mine, > > > > > > > > > > if you show me yours. You go first." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per yoga-suutras, when one "reaches" enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > > > (kaivalya), > > > > > > > > > > > > the guNa-s become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puruSaartha-shuunya. AFAIK, there's no force or power > > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > universe that could reverse that process... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the standard belief, yes. Maybe it's not correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment is always *in the present*, never in the > > > > > > > > > > > > past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin does not claim to be enlightened in the present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
