--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> <snip>
> [Akasha108 wrote:]
> > > > Tom T writes: 
> > > > No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be 
able
> > > > to hold all that in the awake mind. 
> > > 
> > > Then it must be possible to be able to
> > >  hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities.
> 
> > Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, 
or 
> > between being "asleep" and being "awake" -- though oddly enough, 
as 
> > we have seen, only the experientially "awake" appear generally 
able 
> > to appreciate this to any visceral extent, while the self-
> > diagnosed "unawake" or "not yet awake" often would appear rather 
> > strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self-
> > evident "awake" presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-
> > now) idealized criteria.
> 
> Or not.  My only criterion, for instance, is not to
> be overshadowed.
> 
> <snip>
> > How can that which is and has always been and will always be 
self-
> > sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself 
from 
> > itself?
> > 
> > My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or 
ones 
> > like them) as "ideas" or "ideals" and use them to *obscure* the 
> > reality they are intended to *describe* (which can of course 
appear 
> > quite horrible, gnarly, and so on as well as stunningly 
beautiful, 
> > etc.), and so the projection is underway, and don't we all love 
a 
> > good movie!
> 
> Take a minute for a little thought experiment, Rory.
> 
> Let's say we don't get attached.  Let's say we've
> never *been* attached.  Let's say human beans have
> always been realized.
> 
> How far back would that apply, do you think, given
> that human beans--Homo sapiens--didn't emerge full-
> blown from the head of Zeus but evolved gradually
> from earlier humanoid species?



Judy:

Don't you believe in creative design?


> 
> And then I've got another question or two.




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