--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, > > Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't > > expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even > > honorable enemies. > > > > JohnY > > Since some of my recent posts may be rolled up in the "all this > justification", I have a few thoughts. What I have been arguing > against is "black and white" thinking. (Digressing to another topic > quickly, I am surprised no one got my "Soul on Ice" allusion / joke > the other day.) I have made similar "extremist" -- as in all black or > white cases in the past against J and H. And M. See the archives over > the past 3 years or so. (Some of my posts are under "OMG123"). > > In rethinking it, I just see more nuances now, and more parallels to > mainstream society. Would I recommend MUM to my daughter (if I had > one), or to any women? No. Mainly for the obvious current academic > mediocreness of the place, and the "cult" mindset, but also because J > and B are acting like slimy weasles. Same with sending my "daughter" > to an old style TTC with M. > > However, I recognize that what John is doing, relative to coeds, is > not any different than what happens on most university campuses. Maybe > John is a bit older than most "cruising" faculty, but not older than > some. The issue I would have, relative to a daughter at MUM, is it is > such a small campus and John and Bevan (and I am sure there are > others) set such a dominant tone. > > Regarding married woman, I think that is dispicable. But spraigs stats > sound in the ballpark, though perhaps a bit high. Adultry is pretty > common place. So if I refused any relations or interaction / business > / socializing with every adulterer, my "friends and associates list" > would be looking pretty slim. > > And it takes two to tangle. J and B are not drugging these women and > hauling them off to a cave, as far as i know. I imagine some women are > seeking them out and doing the seducing. Particularly after word gets > out that these single guys like to play. > > And I an not as extreme in my views as Unc. I think, I know, relations > with married women can at times, be helpful to all parties. I don't > recommend it, but sometimes it happens and it can enrich everyone. > Some marriages are on the rocks and sometimes external forces are > forces for the good. And I have seen where it can be devestating. > Proabably much more of that than the former. > > Regarding work, and business associates, I worked for a guy, several > rungs down, who is now one of the top two guys in a 30,000 employee > Fortune 500 company. He was a good guy, smart, funny, effective -- and > charismatic - in the Clinton / Kennedy sense. And women were > attracted. He had an easy time of it, and it appeared for a time, he > was bopping every woman in sight within the company. He finally had a > woodshed moment with the then CEO and things calmed down a bit. But > perhaps only a bit. And lots of other stories and insights one obtains > over time of top management and thier proclivities. Should I have > refused to work for him? Should I have quit a good job because mass > adultry was going on? No way. > > Regarding M, I still have mixed feeling and thoughts. I straddled the > bramachari-wannabe and guy in the world roles throughout my teens and > 20's. I think it screwed me up -- more so than my natural state, and > definately affected my longer term career and family prospects. Coming > to grips with his dailances has been difficult on several levels. But > I keep coming back to the fact that all the woman, to my knowledge, > were consenting. And, contrary to some, I think they had a clear > choice. And what a yogi does with his energy flows -- well they are > much better than me to judge if its a good thing. > > So while I am sympathetic to your view, I don't agree that "[we] > wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, > or even honorable enemies." If you are in the big city (are you in > FF?] its out there. More of your friends, or business associates, > social acquaintances, teachers, mentors and even honorable enemies may > be doing wierd sexual things than you are aware or, or can imagine. > Are you going to "drop out" and demand purity. Or let people work out > thier own stuff without too much internal judgement clogging up your > nadis?
Actually, Akasha, I wasn't thinking of your posts (and I was enjoying them...). As far a conscentual sex between single adults I have no problem, or even between conscenting members of a couple if the other partner knows. What I was charged up about was teacher/student guru/student BMOC/other's wives stuff. And you misinterpreted the 'my daughter' stuff... I would advise my married daughter not to fool around on the side (unless her husband knew), and my slightly younger unmarried daughter not to sleep with married men, for precisly the reasons that Barry pointed out. There is usually much more involved than the sex. As far as M, J, and B because of their positions it's much more complicated. Hey if M had a girlfriend who wasn't a student fine, no need to hide. J and B and the faculty wives - well thats not good , and not very bright. I didn't mean to sound black and white, it's more subtle than that and I know it. In the cases of J & B they could just find an unmarried girlfriend or several ... JohnY ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
