Doc, I really love all three of your recent posts about this topic of silence. Kind of illuminating for my own on going experience. Thanks.
________________________________ From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" <doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming That "flat silence" and "lively silence" differentiation, was one made by Maharishi, to explain the operation of the sidhis - where they live, so to speak. In terms of experience, though, there is no difference in the silence accompanying any activity, only that it grows over time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Ann, there is definitely flat silence and lively silence. TM is about the former and TMSP is about the latter. I think the big trick about silence is to not try to have it. Awareness might be a better word than silence. Does one really have to try and be aware?! Nope, awareness is always happening. Attention may move from point to point. But awareness is constant, a field of lively potentiality. Hope this helps. ________________________________ From: "awoelflebater@..." <awoelflebater@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > >What you are describing is a defense mechanism, whereas the witnessing of CC >is an actual and permanent change in how the mind operates.Silence is >ever-present during the witnessing of CC. Although there is a detachment that >comes with an out of body experience, the identity of the person, having such >an experience, remains unchanged. > > >What does that mean? If you are in CC then how come there is witnessing? Isn't >CC a sort of witnessing already? > > >The silence [of CC] is naturally occurring, so there is nothing to do about >it, either to make it go away, or to keep it around. After the mind is >conditioned to maintain Silence at all times, it cannot be reversed. If it can >be grasped onto, or destroyed in the mind, it is not yet permanent. It can >only exist effortlessly in the mind, if it is permanent. > > >What do you mean by "silence" exactly? To me this is just a word that is sort >of overused and stereotypical, like a cliche. Can you make this concept real >for me? > > >Then activity, including thoughts themselves, can be witnessed, from a deep >platform of silence. With CC, the identity shifts inwardly, towards the >silence. Then, after some time, it comes out to play again, but the silence >remains, always, continuing to grow and deepen, even in the midst of very >dynamic activities. > > >Would you equate silence with stillness or immovability (in its positive >sense)? Otherwise the concept of silence seems sort of flat or, at best, >without interesting fluctuation. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen >>>naturally but during extreme trauma. >>> >>> >>>Would you equate "out of body experiences" the same as witnessing? Because I >>>know that when something particularly freaky or extreme happens I have >>>noticed I have some witnessing which is a kind of out of body experience. I >>>remember Barry saying he witnessed for about two weeks after having been >>>threatened at knifepoint by some Dutch mugger. >>> >>> >>>Otherwise for example, the point of the TMSP is to increase integration >>>between mind and body. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "s3raphita@..." <s3raphita@...> >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 AM >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Re Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just >>>during a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being >>>aware of another frequency, and tuning in : Nick Barrett, the speaker, said >>>exactly what you're saying. He could tune in right there and then. >>> >>> >>>Do we think that "astral projection" and "out-of-the-body" experiences are >>>basically lucid dreams only entered from the waking state under one's own >>>volition? >>> >>> >>> >>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during >>>>a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware >>>>of another frequency, and tuning in for the same reason any other sense is >>>>used. Exactly the same experience. >>>> >>>> >>>>Though, in viewing the astral worlds, for example, it takes a little longer >>>>to become proficient, vs. say our sense of smell, since it isn't, along >>>>with lucid dreaming, introduced to us in any sort of systematic way. We >>>>sort of stumble across it, and begin to discover the great depth and >>>>breadth of the worlds and knowledge and experience now easily available to >>>>us, during our everyday lives. After a few years of, "gee whiz", it settles >>>>down, though the experiences continue to deepen, naturally. >>>> >>>> >>>>Personally, for sleep time, I vastly prefer plain old, deep, restful sleep. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Went to a talk at Watkins tonight - London's premier esoteric bookshop >>>>>which is celebrating 120 years service this year - to hear Nick Barrett >>>>>talk about "Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming". You know about lucid dreaming - >>>>>when you become lucid during a dream and realise that what you are >>>>>experiencing is a dream. I've had that happen to me a few times but each >>>>>time I woke up shortly after the realisation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Those who take the trouble to master the art claim that a lucid dream >>>>>experience is as subjectively real as - well - reality! The bonus feature >>>>>is that, as you are aware it is your own dream, you can take command of >>>>>the situation and direct the movie you're watching. Claims are made that >>>>>you can conjure up your favourite film star as a companion, soar off >>>>>together into the stratosphere, picnic together on one of the moons of >>>>>Jupiter, make passionate love, and . . .well, you get the picture, do >>>>>whatever takes your fancy. Hell, you could even fly over to Fairfield, >>>>>enter the Golden Dome, and have those "hoppers" gawking up at you as you >>>>>demonstrate your levitational skills. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Nick Barrett's originality is that he says he started talking to the dream >>>>>figures he encountered and asking them who they were. Most of them looked >>>>>back at him with a blank expression - as if to say: "we're just your >>>>>subconscious, mate". But some of them had a light in their eyes - like >>>>>your everyday folk - and were able to answer his questions about problems >>>>>he had. He eventually made contact with his "guardian angel", who is now >>>>>his regular companion in dreamland. Nick enthuses that his angel has >>>>>helped him resolve many of his psychological issues. Maybe Freud missed a >>>>>trick here when he suspected that dreams were the royal road to the >>>>>unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It's intriguing stuff, and Nick didn't strike me as a nut job. I asked him >>>>>if his spirit guide knew things his subconscious couldn't be expected to >>>>>know. I had in mind finding out which horse would win the 2.10 at Ascot on >>>>>Saturday but he innocently replied about his guide knowing things about >>>>>himself and his own past he couldn't recall. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Makes me wonder though if in decades hence all children will be taught how >>>>>to lucid dream as a matter of course. >>> >>>
