You're welcome, Ann. I agree that we each live in our own world of personal experience. It's great when language can build a bridge between those worlds. And yeah, when those worlds are of a more abstract seeming nature, the gap can seem huge. Sometimes it's fun just to try and bridge that gap.
________________________________ From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Ann, there is definitely flat silence and lively silence. TM is about the former and TMSP is about the latter. I think the big trick about silence is to not try to have it. Awareness might be a better word than silence. Does one really have to try and be aware?! Nope, awareness is always happening. Attention may move from point to point. But awareness is constant, a field of lively potentiality. Hope this helps. Thanks for your reply Share but I am still either too unsilent (noisy) or unaware to understand. I know there are theoretical explanations and ideas about what all this means but to actually live it and then come to understand it is still not resonating for me. I know what it is to sit and meditate and there is a certain level of quiet/silence (then I fall asleep) and I know what it is like to be in the midst of activity and still feel grounded and almost removed but I am not sure that is the same thing as what the Doc is talking about or even what you are explaining here. It's pretty hard to translate one person's subjectivity into words, let alone understand it to be one's own. I think maybe we will all live in our individual worlds and we will only be able to guess at another's reality. ________________________________ From: "awoelflebater@..." <awoelflebater@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > >What you are describing is a defense mechanism, whereas the witnessing of CC >is an actual and permanent change in how the mind operates.Silence is >ever-present during the witnessing of CC. Although there is a detachment that >comes with an out of body experience, the identity of the person, having such >an experience, remains unchanged. > > >What does that mean? If you are in CC then how come there is witnessing? Isn't >CC a sort of witnessing already? > > >The silence [of CC] is naturally occurring, so there is nothing to do about >it, either to make it go away, or to keep it around. After the mind is >conditioned to maintain Silence at all times, it cannot be reversed. If it can >be grasped onto, or destroyed in the mind, it is not yet permanent. It can >only exist effortlessly in the mind, if it is permanent. > > >What do you mean by "silence" exactly? To me this is just a word that is sort >of overused and stereotypical, like a cliche. Can you make this concept real >for me? > > >Then activity, including thoughts themselves, can be witnessed, from a deep >platform of silence. With CC, the identity shifts inwardly, towards the >silence. Then, after some time, it comes out to play again, but the silence >remains, always, continuing to grow and deepen, even in the midst of very >dynamic activities. > > >Would you equate silence with stillness or immovability (in its positive >sense)? Otherwise the concept of silence seems sort of flat or, at best, >without interesting fluctuation. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen >>>naturally but during extreme trauma. >>> >>> >>>Would you equate "out of body experiences" the same as witnessing? Because I >>>know that when something particularly freaky or extreme happens I have >>>noticed I have some witnessing which is a kind of out of body experience. I >>>remember Barry saying he witnessed for about two weeks after having been >>>threatened at knifepoint by some Dutch mugger. >>> >>> >>>Otherwise for example, the point of the TMSP is to increase integration >>>between mind and body. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "s3raphita@..." <s3raphita@...> >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 AM >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Re Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just >>>during a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being >>>aware of another frequency, and tuning in : Nick Barrett, the speaker, said >>>exactly what you're saying. He could tune in right there and then. >>> >>> >>>Do we think that "astral projection" and "out-of-the-body" experiences are >>>basically lucid dreams only entered from the waking state under one's own >>>volition? >>> >>> >>> >>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during >>>>a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware >>>>of another frequency, and tuning in for the same reason any other sense is >>>>used. Exactly the same experience. >>>> >>>> >>>>Though, in viewing the astral worlds, for example, it takes a little longer >>>>to become proficient, vs. say our sense of smell, since it isn't, along >>>>with lucid dreaming, introduced to us in any sort of systematic way. We >>>>sort of stumble across it, and begin to discover the great depth and >>>>breadth of the worlds and knowledge and experience now easily available to >>>>us, during our everyday lives. After a few years of, "gee whiz", it settles >>>>down, though the experiences continue to deepen, naturally. >>>> >>>> >>>>Personally, for sleep time, I vastly prefer plain old, deep, restful sleep. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Went to a talk at Watkins tonight - London's premier esoteric bookshop >>>>>which is celebrating 120 years service this year - to hear Nick Barrett >>>>>talk about "Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming". You know about lucid dreaming - >>>>>when you become lucid during a dream and realise that what you are >>>>>experiencing is a dream. I've had that happen to me a few times but each >>>>>time I woke up shortly after the realisation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Those who take the trouble to master the art claim that a lucid dream >>>>>experience is as subjectively real as - well - reality! The bonus feature >>>>>is that, as you are aware it is your own dream, you can take command of >>>>>the situation and direct the movie you're watching. Claims are made that >>>>>you can conjure up your favourite film star as a companion, soar off >>>>>together into the stratosphere, picnic together on one of the moons of >>>>>Jupiter, make passionate love, and . . .well, you get the picture, do >>>>>whatever takes your fancy. Hell, you could even fly over to Fairfield, >>>>>enter the Golden Dome, and have those "hoppers" gawking up at you as you >>>>>demonstrate your levitational skills. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Nick Barrett's originality is that he says he started talking to the dream >>>>>figures he encountered and asking them who they were. Most of them looked >>>>>back at him with a blank expression - as if to say: "we're just your >>>>>subconscious, mate". But some of them had a light in their eyes - like >>>>>your everyday folk - and were able to answer his questions about problems >>>>>he had. He eventually made contact with his "guardian angel", who is now >>>>>his regular companion in dreamland. Nick enthuses that his angel has >>>>>helped him resolve many of his psychological issues. Maybe Freud missed a >>>>>trick here when he suspected that dreams were the royal road to the >>>>>unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It's intriguing stuff, and Nick didn't strike me as a nut job. I asked him >>>>>if his spirit guide knew things his subconscious couldn't be expected to >>>>>know. I had in mind finding out which horse would win the 2.10 at Ascot on >>>>>Saturday but he innocently replied about his guide knowing things about >>>>>himself and his own past he couldn't recall. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Makes me wonder though if in decades hence all children will be taught how >>>>>to lucid dream as a matter of course. >>> >>>
