--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha: > > > yes. Reminds me of EST. > > Judy: > > Even est had a method to sort of shock people into > > it. The whole "training" was one big koan, it seems > > to me: the first weekend, they convinced you that you > > had total control over everything; the second weekend, > > they convinced you that you had no control over > > anything. Actually they *demonstrated* both were the > > case, in turn. > > > > That quasi-experiential contradiction was enough, > > apparently, to push some folks into the "gap," to > > "get it." And it seems that for at least a few, > > it stuck. > > > > At any rate, it wasn't a decision, really. You > > were pretty much forced into it. That makes some > > sense to me, but it wasn't universally effective. > > Some folks never "got it," and for others it made > > a big difference for a while but then faded. > > > > I did think the approach was ingenious. > > > > (Caveat: I never took the training, but I had several > > friends who did and talked to them about it a great > > deal, also read about it a lot. The above is what > > it seemed to me to boil down to. Graduates would > > probably rake me over the coals for thinking I had > > any idea of what was involved.) > > Like you I never took it but talked to a number of people and > friends who did. My general point at the time was that "words" and > mind games might give some glimpse but is not permanent, > not "deep". For that you need to "refine the physiology".
I would agree, but suggest that some few people's physiology was already so refined that all they needed was the nudge to "awaken" permanently. I had the very strong sense that Werner Erhard was "enlightened," in CC at least--could be wrong, of course--and by his own account, it happened very suddenly, while he was driving on the freeway. Apparently he then tried to work backward to figure out how he had gotten there, and then how to recreate it for others. He had done some Zen, as I recall, and several other approaches--which may have helped refine *his* physiology--and he attempted to sort of put together bits and pieces of what he thought had worked for him, although I'm pretty sure he would have vehemently rejected the idea of physiological refinement having anything to do with anything. My understanding is that for a small number of people--several of whom subsequently became est trainers--it really was a permanent transformation. I don't know whether they'd done other stuff first, though. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
