My contention is that Hindu 'Tantrism' probably originated during the Gupta period (280 to 550 CE), or later, in India. The Tantras are associated with 'medieval India,' having been written between 500 and 1800. Tantrism is not Vedic (1200 to 1500 BCE) or pre-Vedic, and did not originate during the Iron Age. None of the Tantras seem to be pre-Vedic, and in fact, are antagonistic to the Hindu Vedas.
Kashmir Shaivism, which predates Hindu Tantrism, arose during the eighth or ninth century CE. In contrast, the Buddhist Tantric versions of the 'Prajnaparamita' date from around 500 CE, AFTER the Sutra Period in India. So, the Buddhist Tantras came first, then Kashmere Tantras, and then Hindu Tantras, as far as I can tell. According to Bhattacharyya: "It is to be noticed that although later Tantric writers wanted to base their doctrines on the Vedas, the orthodox followers of the Vedic tradition invariably referred to Tantra in a spirit of denunciation, stressing its anti-Vedic character." - N.N. Bhattacharyya On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM, <s3raph...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Have you heard of the suggestion of some mantra meditation teachers that > for a newbie the most beneficial idea is to do the the following: find a > quiet space where you won't be disturbed; sit down and close your eyes; > gently allow your thoughts to arise and fall without trying to control the > flow. Eventually a sound will emerge. A sound that becomes dominant because > it charms you and naturally draws your attention. If that gentle pulse > establishes itself - let's say the sound "om" - then that should be your > personal mantra. That's what you should use whenever you meditate. > > If you ponder this line of thinking, isn't it suggesting that this is what > the original rishis did, way back when. Of course, when those rishis found > and then followed their own favourite, personal sound - mantra - they > suggested that very same mantra to any curious students as a suitable > syllable. That's how the list of mantras was eventually established as > venerable tradition. > > So, what I'm wondering: could it be good advice to give to would-be > meditators today? Do just what those dim and distant pioneers did and find > out for yourself your own personal syllable as thrown up by your > subconscious. > > > Yes, it's not for me. As an incurable romantic, I quite enjoy using a > mantra that has pedigree - if it does the job and, as a bonus, conjures up > images of naked sadhus on faraway mountain sides. But maybe the claim that > one would be better off finding a unique syllable that is your very own key > to higher states of consciousness has some merit. There are many people > who learned TM and then (without telling anyone) replaced their > TMO-approved mantra with something they felt was more congenial. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > Our Mantra Yoga tradition begins with the Lord Narayana, the first > meditator, who thought the first thought and set in motion this science of > sound vibration. The thought sounds or mantras were cognized in ancient > India by the rishis, that is, the seers of the science of sound, the first > psychic pioneers of consciousness. > In the Mantra Yoga tradition the first yogi was Yajnavalkhya, who cognized > the first bija mantra, and passed this teaching to his daughter Shakti. > > According to the Tantras, bija mantras are shorthand for a complete > description of the universe in the mind of Sri Saraswati, the Goddess of > Wisdom, Learning and Knowledge. So, sounds, ergo language, was the primal > vibration of Vac, that is, the Lord of human speech, who formed the first > bija mantras. > > In a long line of illustrious masters comes this Mantra Yoga tradition > from Vasistha and Parashara. > > So, lets review the TMer sampradaya: > > The TM teachers puja to SBS clearly states the desciplic succession from > Shakti via the Jyotirlinga hence to Badarayana, to Gauda, to Govinda, hence > to Shankara, founder of the Jyotirmatha, hence to Trotaka and on down to > Brahmanand Saraswati and hence to Shantanand, hence down to Vasudevananda > Saraswati, the current Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. > > Narayana > Padma Bhava > Vasishtha > Shakti > Parashara > Badarayana > Shudadeva > Gaudapapda > Govinda > Shankara > Trotaka > Brahmanand > Shantanand > Vishnudevananda > Vasudevananda > > >
