Richard, I think the stick appearing bent in the water is a great example. We 
can know a lot about sticks and water and light refraction and still, we won't 
see the stick as straight! Even if we dip our hand into the water and touch the 
straight stick, we still won't see it straight! Can all these experiences and 
knowledge be unified?





On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams 
<pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
  
On 1/27/2014 8:01 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

This is elementary. I know I exist. That is only thing of which I am 
*absolutely* certain.
>
Most people when asked this question, would reply using a naive
    realist position that because we are conscious and can perceive
    things and events with the senses so, we conclude that there must be
    an existence. This answer is based on observation - perception is
    reality. If we are a realist we see things and experience things
    just the way they are. 

People don't usually get the notion that there is a transcendental
    field that is hidden from view - they just accept things  as they
    are and as they seem - with common sense a realist just understands
    that gravity sucks and all human excrement flows downstream. Most
    people just use common sense in order to explain existence.

According to my Professor, A.J. Bahm, there are six statements that
    summarize the realist view:

1. Objects which are known exist independently of their being known.

2. Objects have qualities or properties, which are parts of the
    objects.

3. Objects are not affected merely by being known.

4. Objects seem as they are and are as they seem.

5. Objects are known directly.

6. Objects are public.

The problem with the naive realist position is that the senses don't
    reveal everything that can be known - things and events are not
    always exactly as they seem. For example, a straight stick when
    immersed half way into water may appear to be bent. Things and
    events appear to be real, but if appearances derived through one
    sensory channel appear contradictory, it is natural to appeal to
    other senses for corroboration. When they contradict, which sense
    shall we accept as reliable? 

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