--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I do not see how it would be possible to have such a choice forced on me by another entity. It is not possible to understand this without the experience. Understanding is secondary, and to a large extent arbitrary. Look at how many ways an attempted explanation of this has occurred in the past.
Believing that they "understand" things is what leads some people to believe that selling themselves as consumers to one spiritual franchise is "self-sufficiency." It's not. It's settling for a convenient "explanation" that makes you believe that you "understand" the incomprehensible and non-understandable. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > Xeno, if you had to choose, which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction? > > > > > On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:01 PM, "anartaxius@" anartaxius@ wrote: > > Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of that, but defining it in a way that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else altogether. > > > People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really satisfactory may never come. > > > I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not in the end a means to truth. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: > > Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ > > Anartaxius writes: > > > Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . > > > [snip for brevity] > > > . . end . . > > > > > > > The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: > > 1978,, > Discovery of the âExtended Maharishi Effectâ -square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research validates the success of this program. > > > 12 January 1977 > > > > Creating an Ideal Society: > > . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. > > The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. > > > > > > The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. > > > > Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. > > > âSudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.â > > > Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 > > > > > > As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. > > > > As early as, > > > âIn 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.â > > > Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 > > > > > 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to âeliminate the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.â > > > Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. > > > In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates. > > > By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual. > > > It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi. > > > > With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, âThrough the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.â > > > This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving expression to the phenomenon that is taking place. > > > One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day. > > > It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, happiness, and progress. > > It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment. > > > -Maharishi > > > 12 January 1975 > > > Om > . > . . > . > . > . >
