turq, you go grok your Self ha ha!
On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:30 AM, TurquoiseB <turquoi...@yahoo.com> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > turq, I don't understand stuff. I grok (-: As Robert Heinlein (inventor of the phrase "grok") would have said if he'd understood what it really meant in terms of self-discovery and the enlightenment process, "Go grok yourself." :-) > On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:25 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I do not see how it would be possible to have such a choice forced on me by > > another entity. It is not possible to understand this without the > > experience. Understanding is secondary, and to a large extent arbitrary. > > Look at how many ways an attempted explanation of this has occurred in the > > past. > > Believing that they "understand" things is what leads some people to believe > that selling themselves as consumers to one spiritual franchise is > "self-sufficiency." It's not. It's settling for a convenient "explanation" > that makes you believe that you "understand" the incomprehensible and > non-understandable. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > > > Xeno, if you had to choose, which would you rather experience: living the > > paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction? > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:01 PM, "anartaxius@" anartaxius@ wrote: > > > > Science moves on but pseudoscience does not. The Meissner effect > > currently requires very low temperatures (like -187°C) to work. This > > whole thing with the Meissner effect was an analogy. The attempt to explain > > (assuming it were true) meditators etc., doing a group program by using the > > analogy of the Meissner effect. Meditation etc., is a whole other system. > > If it has rules they are not the same rules as in low temperature > > superconducting physics. You are mistaking the use of an analogy for > > reality rather than noticing it as an attempt at an explanatory device. > > That the Meissner effect works in physics does not mean that its effects > > carry over into meditative systems. That would have to be demonstrated by > > whole other means, and this has not been done, not even close, in a way > > that would satisfy most scientists. Science does not even have any > > agreement as to what consciousness is. We intuitively have some sense of > > that, but defining it in a way > that makes it scientifically respectable subject matter is something else > altogether. > > > > > > People practicing spiritual techniques may go through many stages of > > experiential transformation in which the sense of what consciousness > > changes (you know, like TC, CC etc.) and it is difficult to get a handle on > > just what it going on from a scientific point of view. Frankly I think the > > mystery of conscious experience will never be solved scientifically even if > > we humans manage to make conscious machines someday. It is absolutely > > paradoxical. You can live the paradox, but an explanation that is really > > satisfactory may never come. > > > > > > I have no objection to people learning to meditate or practicing their > > techniques in groups, but fraudulent explanations and rigged science is not > > in the end a means to truth. > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: > > > > Dear Anartaxius, Yes, we are talking history here and what a crock you > > trot out here. Science moves on and you are out of date with this old saw > > of an argument. It was only valid in context of time. But time has moved > > on. That guy is dead and long gone. Anartaxius, did you happen to catch > > the interview John Hagelin gave with Rick Archer. That had a very good > > summary update of where science currently is with consciousness. See Buddha > > at the Gas Pump, http://batgap.com/ http://batgap.com/ > > > > Anartaxius writes: > > > > > > Heinz Rudolf Pagels, Ph.D. (1939-1988) Physicist. Was. . > > > > > > [snip for brevity] > > > > > > . . end . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Meissner-like Effect of consciousness coherence, continued: > > > > 1978,, > > Discovery of the â€Å"Extended Maharishi Effect†-square root of one > > percent of the population practicing the TM and TM-Sidhi program together > > in one place produces coherence in collective consciousness promoting > > positive and progressive trends in society. Maharishi tests this formula by > > sending Governors of the Age of Enlightenment to the most troubled spots on > > earth to calm the violence and turbulence. Again scientific research > > validates the success of this program. > > > > > > 12 January 1977 > > > > > > > > Creating an Ideal Society: > > > > . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are > > constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of > > Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. > > > > The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite > > correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is > > so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the > > Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative > > tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a > > whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices > > the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect > > [ME]. > > > > > > > > Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence > > in systems. > > > > > > â€Å"Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more > > ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the > > physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly > > arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered > > crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. > > Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase > > transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social > > systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently > > mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. > > Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For > > instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small > > cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells > > determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and > > unordered cells comprising the rest of the > embryo.†> > > > > > Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality > > of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime > > Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: > > Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. > > Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 > > > > > > > > > > > > As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing > > Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did > > crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also > > decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this > > phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. > > > > > > > > As early as, > > > > > > â€Å"In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental > > Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more > > orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on > > the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental > > Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did > > decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the > > population was practicing the TM technique.†> > > > > > Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality > > of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime > > Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: > > Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. > > Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 > > > > > > > > > > 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to â€Å"eliminate > > the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.†> > > > > > Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a > > small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental > > Meditation technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the > > world consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. > > > > > > In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing > > that in cities where one percent of the population learned the > > transcendental Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime > > rates. > > > > > > By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the > > practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states > > of consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming > > increasingly purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the > > practical benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in > > all aspects of their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and > > harmony. A growing body of scientific research was validating the > > beneficial effects this practice had on all levels of mind, body, and > > behavior of the individual. > > > > > > It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities > > where one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental > > Meditation, the cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose > > to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, > > scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, > > sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity > > increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the Maharishi Effect > > in honor of Maharishi. > > > > > > > > With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to > > produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this > > inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 > > January 1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment > > proclaiming, â€Å"Through the window of science I see the dawn of the Age > > of Enlightenment.†> > > > > > This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving > > expression to the phenomenon that is taking place. > > > > > > One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age > > for the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a > > day. > > > > > > It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change > > the direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all > > harmony, happiness, and progress. > > > > It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and > > experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy > > participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment. > > > > > > -Maharishi > > > > > > 12 January 1975 > > > > > > Om > > . > > . . > > . > > . > > . > > >
