turq, for me you're raising some fascinating questions: how can we discern the development of another; and it's corollary, how can we discern the efficacy of any self development programs that individual might be using. As each person follows their own unfathomable karma, can we know 100% for sure that they're not playing the role they were born to play? I think for sure lock away killers, etc. And in our personal life, avoid those whose company we don't enjoy. Do our best to enjoy life and help others enjoy if they want our help. Beyond that, it's a mystery that I love. Go figure!
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:02 AM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote: Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my "caricature" portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting "pet names" she's chosen to call people over the years, from "Stupid Sal" to "Feebs" to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more "accurate" bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing "criticisms" on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her "friends." Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with "grading papers" and "correcting" other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious "enemy" on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all "criticism" and nothing more. Who ever named her an official "critic?" Maybe she'd like to explain that in the "bio" she's going to post now to "set things right." I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one "more in tune with the laws of nature" and "more harmonious" and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a "mouthpiece" for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify what you're selling. While *claiming* that she's not a True Believer, Judy *consistently* makes excuses for the bad behavior of the TM movement here, and tries to sell it here. Why shouldn't the people she's trying to sell it TO judge TM's worth based on HER behavior? ________________________________ From: "authfriend@..." <authfriend@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Barry's insulting caricatures of the people here he doesn't like (his critics) are not, in fact, even remotely accurate. Nor, BTW, does the practice of TM have anything whatsoever to do with what he doesn't like about us (our propensity to criticize him). Haven't you ever noticed that he has to deliberately make up things to dump on? That is actually pretty funny (and true) >>Michael, as I suggested in my earlier post about >>non-celebrity endorsements >>(https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378005), >>if the TMO wants to "rebrand" TM to appeal to the >>masses, I think the most honest way they could do so would >>be to gather up a couple of months' worth of selected >>posts from the long-term TMers here on FFL. >> >>You could have Nabby talking about how all the Buddhists of >>the world are under the sway of their "Buddhists >>overlords" and so jealous of TMers that they mount >>non-stop attacks on them. You could follow that up with a >>bunch of grade-school-level insults from Judy Stein, >>picking on *another TMer* here just because she didn't >>want to be in her Robin clique. Maybe include a few posts >>from Richard Williams to make a point about how TM cures >>insanity. You could throw in a few posts from Buck about how >>cosmically important (yet humble) each of the thuds of Yogic >>Flyer butts hitting the foam is. Lawson could contribute a >>dozen posts in five minutes on the research about how TM >>cures Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. And Jim Flanegin could >>do a song-and-dance number about what it's like to be >>fully enlightened, while dressed in drag as >>"Enlightened Dawn." (Talk about lipstick on a >>pig!) >> >>There has to be 200+ years of collective TM experience >>leading to the things these six people post, and the things >>they focus on. I say let the obvious nature of what TM >>turned them into set an example for the newbies, to show >>them what they're likely to turn into. >> >>
