Michael, you've given me a laugh this morning. I mean, really, you are employing third grade logic here, "If you like TM and TMO so much, why don't you work for 'em"
Let me recall some phrases from my kids, when they were younger. "If you like Oreos so much, why don't you marry them" "If you like that bike so much, why don't you marry it" I'll try to reply more like an adult. I graduated from MUM, and began a different phase of my life. My practice of meditation and the TMSP continued after I got married, and until our first son was born. Then responsibilities of parenting took over. It may be that after the kids are grown, I may be able to get back to my practice in a more regular fashion. I know it is difficult for you decipher anything other than black and white wr to the TM program, but that is the way it's worked out for me, and many others. Now, unfortunately, it may be useless to engage like this, since, you will revert to your familiar rut,apparently because of unresolved issues wr to TM, but putting it out there anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : By talking to the people for whom it has happened, which in fact I have already done. I did not say that "long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide" those are your words. If you like TM and the TMO so much Steve, why don't you go work for 'em? If you as real nice and give 'em a whole bunch of money I am sure they'll assign Reed Martin to be your personal supervisor and he can make sure you adhere to all the rules and live a real shore nuff TM life. I am sure it would be Sat Chit Ananda. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"; <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, "steve.sundur@..." <steve.sundur@...> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a "vedic" society. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM Now that was a "good catch" Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : Er, Michael, more likely the New Age got "It's all the Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing. It's what you're said to experience when you transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in left field here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Oh my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then "it's all science" roots and tapping into the vague New Age ""it's all the Self" hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the nostrums. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM http://www.experiencetheself.org/ http://www.experiencetheself.org/
