--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy > >>>>> because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only > >>>>> > > mention > > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> of > >>> > >>> > >>>>> this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> anti- > >>> > >>> > >>>>> oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with > >>>>> > > their > > > >>>>> immune systems. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's > >>>> > >>>> > >>> pretty > >>> > >>> > >>>> important. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells "hoard" > >>>>> > > anything > > > >>>>> due to taking amrit kalash? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it though. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels > >>>>> > > of > > > >>>>> antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> all? > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I guess it would depend on what you mean by "sane". It's also > >>>> > >>>> > >>> going > >>> > >>> > >>>> to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what > >>>> > > type > > > >>>> > >>>> > >>> of > >>> > >>> > >>>> tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to > >>>> > >>>> > >>> take > >>> > >>> > >>>> a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals? > >>> > >> > >> Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been in > >> effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to > >> megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out > >> > > there > > > >> that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these > >> > > as > > > >> well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent > >> > > trial > > > >> I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design. > >> > >> > > > > To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a theoretical > > effect that hadn't been documented? > > To maximize the number of people who would go into remission. >
And they know this because...? What evidence is there that taking Vitamin C or other antioxidant interferes with chemotherapy? "Mechanism" studies are _in vitro_, which means they aren't on living subjects where complex, non-linear interactions with literally unpredictable (when trying to extrapolate from test tube studies) results are the rule. The reference that was provided in this group was a to review that reports that there ARE studies showing reductions in side-effects from taking anti-oxidants during chemotherapy. There was also a study referenced in that review that reported a potentially significant greater mortality rate for people taking very large doses of pure vitamins during chemotherapy, but since some vitamins, like E, are known to promote heart attacks and other potentially fatal side effects in megadoses, this may have had nothing to do with any chemotherapy interaction, but just with run-of-the-mill overdose toxicity possibly combined with an overall weakened system either from the chemo, or the cancer or both. In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a day. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
