There are different systems of Jyotish. Some are regional to India. K
N Rao explained that many families who practice astrology have "secret
techniques" and he traveled throughout India to learn some of these.
Also many village astrologers use simple techniques and yet have good
predictions.
Generally if you can read a person's past accurately then you can
predict on the basis of that those predictions will come true. However
they should sound more like a weather report as it is an abstract field
and not exact.
Things that are generally false don't tend to get passed down throughout
history. Astrology is NOT one of those things, however. It tends to
ring true when properly practiced and science is at a loss to understand
why though there is little funding for research into that. I go with
the theory that the planets were really used as time markers not for
their influence. Only the Sun and Moon have much influence on our
lives. And since they couldn't see Neptune and Uranus they couldn't
have used them as broader time markers.
There was some research a few years ago about the time of day a child is
born as well as the time of year. Here I believe that children are like
blank slates and out of the womb begin taking in the world which
influences their personality as they grow. Their surroundings will also
influence their destiny and what obstacles they will find in life. The
time of day a child was born would be noted in ancient time by the
constellation as a time marker.
I couple year's back I read an interesting blog article from an
astrologer who found that beginner astrologers sometimes made better
predictions than experienced ones. Beginners may rely more on intuition
than the rules that seasoned astrologer use. Again an abstract art and
sometimes a basic glance may be more correct than taking "all things
into consideration." Otherwise you can get into rules that "this
cancels that" when maybe it never did work that way.
On 08/04/2014 12:10 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Feste, I am not asking you to be too personal, but I am curious as to
what kinds of things you gained from your readings. The ones I had
done, particularly the last one by Brent BeVar certainly explained a
lot of things IF I was willing to buy into the entire matrix of belief
that said for example that it would have been impossible for me to
have any money for a 16 year period due to my moon being in the house
of the guru which is also supposedly the house of loss and
expenditure. So great for spiritual endeavors, but bad for money. This
coincided with the period that I was at MIU and the period just after,
when I got into channeling.
So how can you or did you use the chart to understand self better?
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*From:* feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, August 4, 2014 1:50 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why astrology is rubbish.
The last thing I need to do is get more scientific! I was speaking of
my own experience, which is much more reliable. It is that that
convinced me of the validity of astrology. As I mentioned, I am not
much interested in astrology as a predictor of the future. To me, it
is a tool for self-understanding. You seem to think that anyone who
accepts astrology is a gullible fool, but that is not so. You remind
me a little of the intellectual who likes to tell everyone that God
does not exist, and they are fools to believe in him. But those who
have had the experience of God will just smile at the limitations of
the rational intellect. And the intellectual will never understand the
puny limits of his own small brain.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
You must have seen some very bad astrologers to have got this cynical
about it.
Actually it's the poor quality of astrologers that made me SKEPTICAL
about it. If I was cynical I wouldn't have bothered in the first place
but everyone loved the guy I saw and he was Marshy's favourite, sent
by head office. He was crap and no more convincing about anything than
a seaside conjuror doing cold-reading on gullible old ladies.
It was the fact I had an open mind that likes asking questions that
got me realising he was bullshitting everyone. I have absolutely no
doubt you would have thought he was great, he had a thing painted on
his head and needed an interpreter! Talk about the real deal Indian
faker...made for credulous westerners.
I have had five professional astrological readings over the last 34
years. They were all excellent. Nothing vague about any of them.
Precise, detailed, accurate (except for some of the predictions for
the future, although some were spot-on).
You need to get scientific about this. Of course some predictions will
be spot on and some not, it's a random process! You've just looked at
the good ones and thought there must be something to it while
downplaying the enormous significance of the wrong ones.
As I point out in my post, if a prediction doesn't come true then all
future predictions will be increasingly inaccurate or be increasingly
vague to have to take into account all possible contradictions in the
earlier reading being both wrong and right.
And how can the planets be wrong anyway! One day I'll sit down and
write down how the maths doesn't work and the absurdity of the birth
chart and it's place in personal and world history. Might make a good
book....
Very enlightening. These readings helped me enormously in
understanding myself. I suspect you will never get anything from
astrology because a cynic has a closed mind and is incapable of learning.
Someone with a bad teacher is limited in what he can learn. The limit
here is whether I accept on faith what I'm told or not. I try not to
believe things without having a think first, in fact it was me who
spotted that jyotish doesn't use all the planets in the solar system
because the more distant ones weren't known to the ancients. What sort
of science is that if it can't adapt to new knowledge? The trouble is
that if it did adapt it would have to admit that it was wrong in the
first place. That's a major difference between science and religion,
one is fallible and can therefore change and improve, The other is set
in scripture handed down from on high and we aren't worthy of
criticising it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
Why don't you just try using the natal chart for self-understanding?
Because there's nothing a bunch of lifeless and distant planets can
tell me about me that I don't already know.
Have you ever tried it?
Well obviously, what did you think this post was about? Maybe you're a
stranger to yourself, maybe you get some personal confirmation in
being told you are a nice guy with emotional depth or other such
vaguenesses. How many times has the experiment of giving a bunch of
people the same reading and them all agreeing it's a close match got
to be done before people realise that they are seeing what they want
to in horoscopes?
There is nothing so bold as ignorance.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
This week saw the end of the period that a jyotishee told me that I
would win a lot of money. It didn't happen. That isn't the surprising
bit to me - it's a chance game really, look at the odds of winning the
premium bonds or the lottery and divide it between the number of years
you are likely to live and the likelihood becomes obvious. But it
would have been an interesting demonstration of super powers.
No, the reason I think astrology must be rubbish is that within the
promise of me winning there has to be a change in how all future
horoscopes are drawn up from my birth chart. For instance, if I
suddenly acquired millions of pounds would I live in the same house or
buy a yatch and moor it in some secluded harbour in Italy? I think we
all know the answer to that, so any future predictions must take into
account the sort of lifestyle problems or advances I would have to
endure with my many houses and supermodel girlfriends etc.
Here's the problem, the future stretches in front of us like a cone of
possibilities, today there are several things I could do and tomorrow
there are many more options precisely because of the options from
today multiply with increased options of thier own tomorrow. And so on
exponentially. The trouble for astrology is that winning a lot of
money or not will have a large impact on the direction of my future
cone of possibilities. It collapses a waveform for my future life that
hasn't happened. So if my horoscope continues to make predictions on
its apparent assumption that I'm now a multi-millionaire there are
going to be discrepancies between prediction and events. For instance,
I'm going to buy a new pair of shoes this week, if there was a
parallel universe with me as a rich man I would have some made for me,
probably at some legendary cobblers in Milan (they probably don't call
them that there though).
The longer it goes on the worse it gets. If any prediction made by an
astrologer fails to come true then at some point you'll be scratching
your head when Mystic Meg says that the dinner with royalty would be a
good time to show off you new watch when you're sitting at home
warming beans over a candle.
I know it all sounds like it could be squeezed into mere trends but
they do stack up, astrology's only hope at retaining credibility in
the long term is to keep it vague enough that all options sound like
they were being predicted. This might work with shoes or where to have
dinner but what about the choice of kings or presidents, or advances
in science or banking? This must be why everyone is always so cagey
about specifics. Do we know deep down that future predictions will be
seen as clearly malfunctioning if the cone of possibilities predicts a
left wing president and someone looks further into the future and sees
that the poor are being shovelled into furnaces to heat Wall st? We
can't have both realities so maybe that's why no one ever goes on
record with anything definite, apart from my guy and because of it I'm
going to have to endure inaccurate predictions forever, there really
isn't any way it could make sense for me now without someone
explaining how they fooled reality.
So before a prediction is made - this is a quantum world after all -
nothing is set and all future possibilities are equally likely until
something happens and the waveform collapses (the chart being drawn is
a good example) and decides the future direction of the next set of
possibilities. Winning money is a chance event so predicting it
decides the outcome only if the predictive technology is a one way
street into the future. And it clearly isn't or I'd be on a beach in
the eastern mediterranean already.
I rest my case...
