On 10/14/2014 5:51 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the
thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.
>
/Maybe you are conning Buck, to try and make him think you care about
any of the MUM students or staff.//I guess if there were any complaints
they would post them on the secret MUM Facebook page. Go figure./
>
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*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000
TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department
sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were
taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City)
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the
ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're
the re-certified legal department trying to stop them.
Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be
happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get
upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes
it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly
twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for
more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?
Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but
you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And
just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are
being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or
the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off
getting a job and paying their own way in life.
I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's
purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people
were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and
money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly
useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all
so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a
fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.
Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the
masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified
but completely identical ex-TMO.
Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining
as this?
-Buck
steve.sundur wrote :
Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your
sensitivity to nuance.
You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
mjackson74@...> wrote :
Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.
Sal writing:
It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who
quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business.
They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they
teach the TMSP too.
The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there
isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.
I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I
musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about
the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if
it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course
not.
Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it
which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half
to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
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*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires
that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if
the initiators in England have this.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in
England
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*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change,
always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is
always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly
after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen
different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There
seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the
dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150
years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu
flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement
will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various
countries teaching outside the movement purview.*
I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to
think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those
in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward
Lemmings!
Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will
break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the
edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress,
eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and
weaken the Movement.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :
An organizer asked me to post this.
www.30thNovember.com <http://www.30thnovember.com/>
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be
focused on "assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is
far less relevant).
Ask yourself on November 30th:
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life?
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and
use it. If not, then don't.
That should always be the test. On the individual level.
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch
the recording afterwards:
www.30thNovember.com <http://www.30thnovember.com/>
