---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
salyavin, for good emotional health, I think some people definitely need to do
more than practice TM. That's one of the misunderstanding that the current
mental health group is hoping to correct.
Or more importantly; lead a regular life, early to bed, regular programme at
set times and prefferably having a checking from time to time. Those few I've
run into that developed developed problems all had two things in common; they
had mental problems already in childhood AND they meditated more that they were
told. Everyone should do what Maharishi asked them to do, not adding anything.
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief
in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, the definition of stress that I use: any structural or chemical
imbalance in the physiology. Though science can't show us yet, I'd speculate
that all personality traits and negative attitudes like arrogance, have a
corresponding brain state.
I'm sure everything that happens mentally is a brain state but that doesn't
mean it's caused by the brain state or that meditation can change it. Or did I
miss something? I've met many arrogant or otherways dysfunctional people who've
been doing TM for decades. I think they'll be doing it for lifetimes if they
think it will change their personality type.
On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:37 PM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, at a certain point I simply realized that the TMO is an imperfect
organization full of imperfect people in an imperfect world. I also think that
arrogance, etc. is one of the deepest stresses that a person can have and
unstress. I don't like it, but that's how I understand it.
Is arrogance a "stress"? It seems like an unrealistic belief of
self-importance people grow up with, probably picked up from parents or
schooling. I can't see how it can get into being your mode of operation by
stressful means.
And as a consequence I would say it's even less likely to get removed by
stress reduction techniques. There's a lot of this erroneous thinking in the
TMO and I think it's one of the major failings of Marshy's teaching that they
can't accept that TM isn't always the answer, not everything bad or un-useful
about the personality comes from stress and can therefore be removed by
relieving stress.
Which is probably one of the things you'll all have to accept in your new-look
TMO. It's all for the best.
On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
The Fairfield Mental Health Alliance
October 5th Meeting Notes
You asked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?
Look this has been about creating change and that meeting was a timely showing
of some progress of change. The meeting was not the conclusive meeting but it
does show the movement has changed some and all the people on stage help show
the integration this is taking.
On the left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all these
different practicing clinical professionals who also have integrated
alternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful and have basis,
and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding up the movement's
franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying on behalf of the movement and
Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movement community meeting. Pat is really quite
controlled smart, homey, funny, and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching
him. It was really quite brilliant.
This is the second meeting where he has spoken for our collective practical
concern as to compassion and our working to help people solve mental health
issues being essentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ]
It will be very interesting to hear when that language of compassion gets
picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TM command. That
actually is extremely interesting that he is changing the inside by leading
with that idea. It has always been said that TM is without heart, well then if
it is not a trick then we see this movement of the movement from the upper
level around this whole mental health thing is showing some heart, even though
it took boxing them in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a
change.
Funny how it hasn't always been there though isn't it? Most spiritual groups
take the development of compassion as a given, how can you have personal growth
without it? But you are correct, there is precious little of it in the TMO. Far
more arrogance, elitism and an almost scary lack of self awareness. Not
everyone of course but enough of the teachers to put me off for life.
These are the overriding impressions I left the movement with. It was them
that undermined the ideal I thought they stood for. How can they change without
abandoning the idea that TM is all you need to do? If compassion isn;t there
then pretending it is is just mood making surely? You see what I'm getting at,
it's a central tenet that you just meditate and act naturally. Maybe you guys
are the reformation that changes all that.
Question of course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do to
figure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type of credentialed
staffing, and how they are going to administrate those trip-wire questions on
their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A was very effective at
holding their feet to the fire once again in public. They got to come up with
more compassion to show on that one for people to believe them.
It is about showing change on their part. Compassion? Their administrative
banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example of any change there. Opps. An
long-time old meditator and yes with criticisms of the organization which they
were soliciting to hear, but an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Not
great timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of Fairfield Cares.
It always baffled me that so many people are banished from the movement,
shouldn't it all be hunky dory and brotherly love? My question to a
particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had
kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to
send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island
unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to
Marshy's ideals?
Maybe what you've started is a way for the TMO to look at itself and the
effect TM has on people, and how the power structure fails to produce the sort
of results you'd expect from a supposedly higher teaching. Maybe you'll end up
with a realistic appraisal of benefits to offer people so they don't get all
excited and carried away about the hyperbole and consequently get so fed up a
few years later.
Criticism can only be a good thing here, it seems to me there are a lot of
sacred cows to be led off to the slaughterhouse but if they aren't real and
serve only to a) make money, and b) lead people into thinking there is more to
TM than you've got a reasonable right to claim, then it's a good thing because
you won't be too embarrassed to mention it any more. No more hiding yagya's and
raja's from Oprah when she comes round. But yes, TM will be just another
moderately effective meditation technique in the market place. Is that so bad?
Incrementally the meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will be
another step when they have the confidence to post the policy to point to on
their webpage.
-Buck in the Dome
