Nablusoss, all those good habits can definitely help, but if a person has experienced severe trauma in childhood, more than good habits will be needed, even if they're regular with TMSP. Because Maharishi came from a traditional and stable Indian family, he probably wasn't aware of ow dysfunctional families can be in less traditional countries.
From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : salyavin, for good emotional health, I think some people definitely need to do more than practice TM. That's one of the misunderstanding that the current mental health group is hoping to correct. Or more importantly; lead a regular life, early to bed, regular programme at set times and prefferably having a checking from time to time. Those few I've run into that developed developed problems all had two things in common; they had mental problems already in childhood AND they meditated more that they were told. Everyone should do what Maharishi asked them to do, not adding anything. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, the definition of stress that I use: any structural or chemical imbalance in the physiology. Though science can't show us yet, I'd speculate that all personality traits and negative attitudes like arrogance, have a corresponding brain state. I'm sure everything that happens mentally is a brain state but that doesn't mean it's caused by the brain state or that meditation can change it. Or did I miss something? I've met many arrogant or otherways dysfunctional people who've been doing TM for decades. I think they'll be doing it for lifetimes if they think it will change their personality type. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:37 PM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, at a certain point I simply realized that the TMO is an imperfect organization full of imperfect people in an imperfect world. I also think that arrogance, etc. is one of the deepest stresses that a person can have and unstress. I don't like it, but that's how I understand it. Is arrogance a "stress"? It seems like an unrealistic belief of self-importance people grow up with, probably picked up from parents or schooling. I can't see how it can get into being your mode of operation by stressful means. And as a consequence I would say it's even less likely to get removed by stress reduction techniques. There's a lot of this erroneous thinking in the TMO and I think it's one of the major failings of Marshy's teaching that they can't accept that TM isn't always the answer, not everything bad or un-useful about the personality comes from stress and can therefore be removed by relieving stress. Which is probably one of the things you'll all have to accept in your new-look TMO. It's all for the best. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The FairfieldMental Health Alliance October5th Meeting Notes Youasked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?Lookthis has been about creating change and that meeting was a timelyshowing of some progress of change. The meeting was not theconclusive meeting but it does show the movement has changed some andall the people on stage help show the integration this is taking. Onthe left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all thesedifferent practicing clinical professionals who also have integratedalternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful andhave basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding upthe movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying onbehalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movementcommunity meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey,funny, and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching him. It was really quite brilliant. This is the second meeting wherehe has spoken for our collective practical concern as to compassionand our working to help people solve mental health issues beingessentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ] Itwill be very interesting to hear when that language of compassiongets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TMcommand. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changingthe inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TMis without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see thismovement of the movement from the upper level around this wholemental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxingthem in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change. Funny how it hasn't always been there though isn't it? Most spiritual groups take the development of compassion as a given, how can you have personal growth without it? But you are correct, there is precious little of it in the TMO. Far more arrogance, elitism and an almost scary lack of self awareness. Not everyone of course but enough of the teachers to put me off for life. These are the overriding impressions I left the movement with. It was them that undermined the ideal I thought they stood for. How can they change without abandoning the idea that TM is all you need to do? If compassion isn;t there then pretending it is is just mood making surely? You see what I'm getting at, it's a central tenet that you just meditate and act naturally. Maybe you guys are the reformation that changes all that. Questionof course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do tofigure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type ofcredentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate thosetrip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A was veryeffective at holding their feet to the fire once again in public. They got to come up with more compassion to show on that one forpeople to believe them. Itis about showing change on their part. Compassion? Theiradministrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example ofany change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes withcriticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear,but an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Notgreat timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of Fairfield Cares. It always baffled me that so many people are banished from the movement, shouldn't it all be hunky dory and brotherly love? My question to a particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to Marshy's ideals? Maybe what you've started is a way for the TMO to look at itself and the effect TM has on people, and how the power structure fails to produce the sort of results you'd expect from a supposedly higher teaching. Maybe you'll end up with a realistic appraisal of benefits to offer people so they don't get all excited and carried away about the hyperbole and consequently get so fed up a few years later. Criticism can only be a good thing here, it seems to me there are a lot of sacred cows to be led off to the slaughterhouse but if they aren't real and serve only to a) make money, and b) lead people into thinking there is more to TM than you've got a reasonable right to claim, then it's a good thing because you won't be too embarrassed to mention it any more. No more hiding yagya's and raja's from Oprah when she comes round. But yes, TM will be just another moderately effective meditation technique in the market place. Is that so bad? Incrementallythe meeting was an important meeting strategically. 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