Ah, salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To
understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? I remember a post of yours a
while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve.
I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when
you say "enjoy the ride" I think of Maharishi saying "enjoy." (-:
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories
for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the
vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here
with us. And I think it's great.
We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere,
we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or
the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over
it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting
Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It
beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I
hope it's true.
But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way
or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-:
I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the
brink of something called "disclosure". We've been here before a few times as I
recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited
that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed.
But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way
of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more,
want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power,
whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here.
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-)
It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about
something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that
there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent
film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret.
But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and
done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence.
I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that
doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just
mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something
more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already
understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil
damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about
UFO's.
But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's
for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the
subject. Even the true believer stuff from "serious" researchers like Timothy
Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great
encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor,
Rendlesham...
I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in
action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here
are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about
technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always
remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the
mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the
other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual
observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like
ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out
of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is,
that he doesn't like the person who coined the word "flying saucer"
Is that what his dissertation is about this time?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge
and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully,
mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil.
If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every
person on Earth.
EVERY PERSON ON EARTH.
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew
that UFOs are real.
IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING.
And that's why it might be kept a secret -- the concept "money" would be bereft
of allure.
If you say that it would NOT be "all that much of a big deal, cuz everyone's so
inured already by Hollywood films," then YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT
PSYCHOLOGY.
Every person in every way: changed.
Agreed. Luckily I don;t suppose it will come to that. Which is a shame as I'd
be the happiest person on Earth if it turned out that UFO's were alien
spacecraft, but the truth of sightings always turns out to be more mundane.
Take the name "flying saucers", everyone sees saucer shaped craft but the name
is a mistake from the first encounter anyone had. Kenneth Arnold (an
experienced pilot) saw a squadron of highly reflective crescent shaped aircraft
flying at great speed in a V formation over the Rocky mountains in 1947. He
described them as flying like a saucer would if skipped across water.
A journalist made up the name flying saucer and after that everyone saw saucer
shaped craft when they saw something mysterious in the sky. The power of
suggestion. Sadly there's no such thing as a reliable witness and any one can
be fooled, Arnold most likely saw a flock of pelicans and mistook them for
unknown aircraft and miscalculated their distance from him. We all make
mistakes but the influence his mistake had is immeasurable.
Because we people are so unreliable, if I had to bet I would say that Cooper
saw some atmospheric effect from flying at supersonic speed that no one had
noticed before and mistook it for real craft moving above him.
And early radar was hopelessly unreliable, the UK air defence system in the
cold war was always telling us that giant UFOs were crossing the north sea but
when planes were scrambled to look it turned out to have been temperature
inversions confusing the equipment. When these anomalies were understood and
ironed out UFO reports stopped coming in. It's the way it goes, people see
stuff and imagination plugs any gaps, popular culture is rife with imagery that
came before the sightings. I can't trust myself let alone anyone else!
I would like to see this film they took though but, I don't suppose we ever
will. That's the way it's always been with UFO's, you get an incredible story
that turns out to be something else or not to have any supporting evidence for
whatever reason, and so much of it is easily explained away. I wish it were
otherwise. I wish it were true. I want to believe!
But it'd be a most curious coincidence if a journalist's artistic license in
describing saucers actually coincided with real saucers appearing from another
world. What are the chances of that?
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