Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

[Vaj]

On Nov 21, 2005, at 9:00 AM, authfriend wrote: It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best  way to describe it. Seems to me what Lawson is pointing out is that "spontaneous paralysis" in the context of samadhi (pure transcendental consciousness, or turiya)  doesn't make any sense.  The instant one *tries* to move, one is no longer in that state. That's sad. So much for dyeing the cloth. IMO many have been conditioned to believe that TM leads to "pure transcendental consciousness, or turiya".  In other words, that one's muscles don't move in samadhi is a function of having no intention to move (or any other intention).  There's no way to establish paralysis in turiya because there's no way to test it. You're describing something different. Sounds like you're describing samapatti (mental absorption into mantra).  Experientially the sensation of paralysis is quite clear. You seem to be assuming that people cannot consciously enter samadhi--or the particular state where this paralysis occurs. There may be something to what you say, but you haven't described it well enough to avoid self- contradiction.  It is first perfect in various parts of the body. There are documented stories of students in the US who have perfected  this to the point of  being able to have minor surgery with very  little local anesthesia. The other sign is prolonged suspension  of breathing. Documentation in peer-reviewed journals? Actually what I had seen was a signed letter from the physician  who performed the surgery written to the teacher/guru himself. Paralysis and anesthesia are two different phenomena. One can be paralyzed without being anesthetized, and certainly locally anesthetized without being paralyzed. Further, *I've* had minor surgery with very little local anesthesia, without any meditative component. These terms are far too relative, depending on far too many individual factors, to be meaningful as you've described the situation. Again, there may be something to what you say, but you haven't presented it in a way that establishes anything. In the case I was discussing it was a painful form of nasal surgery . Thus the physician's letter and amazement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.