MJ, You have to read the citations in context with the narrative. Urinating on the wall can be interpreted as a sign of disrespect or may violate some Jewish laws regarding cleanliness. My translation of this passage shows that it was David who said this in 1 Samuel. He was referencing the fact that his men have not harmed any of Nabal's property. Thus, he was taking responsibility for any harm or disrespect, including any of his men who may piss on the wall owned by Nabal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall. 1 Samuel 25:22 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Samuel-25-22/ So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall. 1 Samuel 25:34 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Samuel-25-34/ For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall. 1 Kings 14:10 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-14-10/ Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone. 1 Kings 16:11 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-16-11/ And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends. 1 Kings 21:21 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-21-21/ Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, 2 Kings 9:8 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Kings-9-8/ For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel: From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else Empty, Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament. It has taken the concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that Christians have. Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written. At that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and people. Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time. Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation. It is now obvious that genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people. In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism and radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace. Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq and Syria. The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that consciousness is common to all humans. It is the link that binds everyone to the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions. I am sure there is a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and dogmas of all religions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote : Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope. Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea: Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.) Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new. Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9 So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage today! If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification. Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead instructs people to turn the other cheek. First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supported these acts and often led the clamor for holy wars. Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and then have changed his mind a thousand years or so later. If God really knows all and can do whatever he wants, why couldn't he have brought Jesus and the New Testament down earlier and saved the Earth a whole lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach forgiveness after you've been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very all-loving to me. Whichever tack you take, the argument that a New Testament separates modern Christianity from the atrocities of the Old Testament is a theologically unsound excuse. That also goes for the whole rigamarole that Christians go through to give themselves the title of God's new Chosen People. This old Christian canard argues that God used to call the Jews his Chosen People, but the Jews weren't worthy, so since the arrival of Jesus, the Chosen People are the Christians. Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes who the Chosen People are -- I don't think that they ought to have the right to go around and kill people just because they aren't Chosen. It doesn't matter whether genocide takes place on the basis of ethnicity or religion. It's still genocide. Besides, all the Christian protestations about being followers of the New Testaments and not the Old Testament are shown to be the hollow excuses they are by the continued use of the Old Testament by practically every Christian church on the face of the Earth. If Christianity really repudiates the Old Testament, then why is the Old Testament still included in the Christian Holy Bible? Why do Christian priests and preachers still base entire doctrines on Old Testament Verses? Why do Christian politicians try to get the Ten Commandments posted in public places? Why do most Christians still circumcize their little boys if they don't believe in keeping the old covenant with God? http://irregulartimes.com/index.htmlChristians accuse New Age practitioners of taking a buffet approach to religion: just taking whatever teachings from whatever traditions they like and then ignoring the ones they don't like. Pardon me, but I don't see how the Christians are any different. If you're a real, consistent Christian, you ought to join with other Christians to form a holy army to massacre as many non-Christians as you can, starting today.
