I can't imagine what you are like in real life. You are hard to figure out -
are you serious in your posts or are you using subtle humor?
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
MJ,
You have to read the citations in context with the narrative. Urinating on
the wall can be interpreted as a sign of disrespect or may violate some Jewish
laws regarding cleanliness. My translation of this passage shows that it was
David who said this in 1 Samuel. He was referencing the fact that his men have
not harmed any of Nabal's property. Thus, he was taking responsibility for any
harm or disrespect, including any of his men who may piss on the wall owned by
Nabal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
The main thing about the Christian Bible is why God would see fit to punish
severely anyone who would have the temerity to piss against a wall.
- 1 Samuel 25:22
- So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all
that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
- 1 Samuel 25:34
- For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, whichhath kept me
back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and cometo meet me, surely
there had not been left unto Nabal by the morninglight any that pisseth against
the wall.
- 1 Kings 14:10
- Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and
will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, andhim that is
shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnantof the house of
Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be allgone.
- 1 Kings 16:11
- And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his
throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth
against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
- 1 Kings 21:21
- Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity,
and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is
shut up and left in Israel,
- 2 Kings 9:8
- For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab
him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:
From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
Empty,
Christianity is the continuation of the Old Testament. It has taken the
concepts from the prophets and developed them into the current thinking that
Christians have.
Some of the ideas in the OT were appropriate for the time it was written. At
that time, it was considered to be justifiable to defend one's own tribe and
people. Undoubtedly, the writings in the OT were influenced by the
shortsighted thinking of the Hebrews at that time.
Christianity is continually evolving to adopt the most evolved ideas that
reflect the state of consciousness of its congregation. It is now obvious that
genocide is not the way to develop the consciousness of its people.
In fact, all religions in the world today are realizing that fundamentalism and
radicalism of their individual dogmas are not contributing to peace.
Fundamentalism is only contributing to destruction which we're seeing in Iraq
and Syria.
The next step in the development of human beings is to understand that
consciousness is common to all humans. It is the link that binds everyone to
the Unified Field, which is the objective of all religions. I am sure there is
a way to communicate this idea in a way that conforms with the language and
dogmas of all religions.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teachespeace, love
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that theBible is the greatest
book ever written. Well, folks, they can't haveit both ways. The fact is that
the Bible promotes genocide, thesystematic destruction of entire populations of
human beings. If that'sChristian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out thefollowing verses,
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest thatGod himself thinks that
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving outfrom before you
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and thePerizzite and the Hivite
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lestyou make a covenant with the
inhabitants of the land where you aregoing, lest it be a snare in your midst.
But you shall destroy theiraltars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down
their wooden images(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose
name isJealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the swordbefore you. Five
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of youshall put ten thousand to
flight; your enemies shall fall by the swordbefore you. For I will look on you
favorably and make you fruitful,multiply you and confirm My covenant with you.
You shall eat the oldharvest, and clear out the old because of the
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help yougo out and
slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong toanother ethic group
and are already living on the land you want foryourself. Furthermore, the Bible
says that he wants you to go out andcommit cultural genocide, destroying the
religious buildings and holyobjects of rival religions. So come on, Christians!
Hop to it! Surelyyou believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't
you?I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillagetoday!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic pointabout a
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to theway that
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblicalverses, and others
like them, have been used by Christians for thousandsof years to justify
hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts ofgenocide. Just in the last
couple of years, the Christian Yugoslavgovernment led by the popular leader
Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered hugenumbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing
the Bible's genocidallanguage as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christianslike
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible.They'll claim
that God required his followers to commit genocidalatrocities during the time
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought aNew Testament which instead
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament ideaout.
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when theyslaughtered their
enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supportedthese acts and often led
the clamor for holy wars.
Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundationthat
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful andall-knowing and
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tellhis followers to go out
and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and thenhave changed his mind a thousand
years or so later. If God really knowsall and can do whatever he wants, why
couldn't he have brought Jesusand the New Testament down earlier and saved the
Earth a whole lot ofbloodshed? Waiting around to teach forgiveness after you've
beenteaching human slaughter doesn't sound very all-loving to me. Whichevertack
you take, the argument that a New Testament separates modernChristianity from
the atrocities of the Old Testament is a theologicallyunsound excuse.
That also goes for the whole rigamarole that Christians go through togive
themselves the title of God's new Chosen People. This oldChristian canard
argues that God used to call the Jews his ChosenPeople, but the Jews weren't
worthy, so since the arrival of Jesus, theChosen People are the Christians.
Honestly, I don't see what differenceit makes who the Chosen People are -- I
don't think that they ought tohave the right to go around and kill people just
because they aren'tChosen. It doesn't matter whether genocide takes place on
the basis ofethnicity or religion. It's still genocide.Besides, all the
Christian protestations about being followers of theNew Testaments and not the
Old Testament are shown to be the hollowexcuses they are by the continued use
of the Old Testament bypractically every Christian church on the face of the
Earth. IfChristianity really repudiates the Old Testament, then why is the
OldTestament still included in the Christian Holy Bible? Why do
Christianpriests and preachers still base entire doctrines on Old
TestamentVerses? Why do Christian politicians try to get the Ten
Commandmentsposted in public places? Why do most Christians still circumcize
theirlittle boys if they don't believe in keeping the old covenant with God?
Christiansaccuse New Age practitioners of taking a buffet approach to
religion:just taking whatever teachings from whatever traditions they like
andthen ignoring the ones they don't like. Pardon me, but I don't see howthe
Christians are any different. If you're a real, consistentChristian, you ought
to join with other Christians to form a holy armyto massacre as many
non-Christians as you can, starting today.
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