My paternal haplogroup, which occurs almost exclusively in a small percentage of Ashkenazi Jews, originated in the Caucasus region.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackso...@yahoo.com> wrote : No one knows where the Ashkenazim came from but most scholars think they started in southern Italy and other parts of southern Europe. From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 8:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Machinelike or Random? By the logical extension of your own argument, the entire north america should be handed over to the Red Indians. They were the original inhabitants of the Americas. Many ethnic groups all over the world don't have a seperate country of their own. That is not necessary either. The Ashkanaz jews were central asian converts and they never lived in Israel. They are the ones who migrated to europe. Besides, there was never any need to partition the territory. A special arrangement could have been made for those sephardim jews who wanted to settle down there, without disturbing the indigenous people who were already there. --- <richard@...> wrote : You need to read some history books. The people of Judea were there long before the Arabs invaded the land and tried to kill all the Jews. Do you have any historical evidence that proves the Arabs were in Judea before it was called Judea? I think not. Judea and Samaria is the West Bank! They don't call it the 'Land of Judea' for nothing! Human settlement in Judea stretches back to the Stone Age. The Israelites lived in Jericho, back in 1025 B.C. It's a fact of history that this land was invaded by the Arabs in 636 A.D. "The prevailing opinion today is that the Israelites, who eventually evolved into the modern Jews and Samaritans, are an outgrowth of the indigenous Canaanites who had resided in the area since the 8th millennium BCE." Israelites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites Israelites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites The Israelites (/ˈɪzriəˌlaɪts, -reɪ-/)[1] were a Semitic people of the Ancient Near East, who inhabited part of Canaan during the tribal and monarchic periods (15th... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites Preview by Yahoo --- <jason_green2@...> wrote : Stop this bullshit willytex. No referendum was held in that territory. God is not a real estate dealer. The UN stole that land from indigenous people. They called other communities dogs for centuries. "But after hearing of Him, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit immediately came and fell at His feet. Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter." (Mark 7:25-26). "And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Mark 7:27). The Jews called the Gentiles "dogs" in the same way we would call someone a "bitch" (Matthew 7:6; Philippians 3:2; Revelation 22:15). It was a term of contempt. --- <richard@...> wrote : According to what I've read, so-called "non-Zionist" Jews are pleased that Israel exists from a practical standpoint--as a haven for oppressed Jews and as a land imbued with holiness well-suited for Torah study. But they don't generally assign religious significance to the formation of the modern state, and often decry aspects of its secular culture. Zionism is used in the strict sense of the Jews should have a homeland, preferably Israel (Israel is where "Zion" is, hence Zionism). Criticizing today's Israeli government regarding policies is not the same as anti-Zionism. -- <jr_esq@...> wrote : Jason, There are still Jews who consider themselves as the "Chosen People" here in the USA. They may or may not be Zioneists. Nonetheless, they follow several hundred laws relating to food, behavior and worship. They still frown upon intermarriage with outsiders or goyim. I've posted the videos of Rabbis Kraft and Mizrachi and you should watch them for verification. And they don't definitely consider themselves descendants of apes from Africa. ---<jr_esq@...> wrote : No, I'm not converting to Judaism. I just reacted to the words written by Bhairitu based on the issues raised by Carde recently and the cosmological models that have been discussed here for the past week or so. But it is interesting to know what the current Jewish rabbis are thinking about the Jewish role in the Middle East conflict. For both the Jews and Arabs, they blame their mutual animosity on the failure of Jews to perform their duties as the "Chosen People" in the Bible. --- <salyavin808@...> wrote : The fact that any race thinks they are the chosen ones fills me with dread. Someone should point out that it doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you like. Believing that god gave you all the land west of the river Jordan doesn't - or shouldn't - make it so. A bit less arrogance on that front might have worked wonders in 1948. --- <turquoiseb@...> wrote : A strong case can be made that it is the very existence of this "Chosen People" myth that has caused the ongoing persecution of Jews over the centuries. Historically, the same sort of persecution hounds *any* religious group who consider themselves "special" and "better" than others around them who don't follow their religion. --- <salyavin808@...> wrote : Another miserable twist of fate was that the Jews are the only one of the three main western religions that can lend money with interest. So they were the go-to guys for a loan and obviously it doesn't pay to be soft if you are a money lender, hence all the "Jews are tight with money" stereotypes. In any alternate reality it could have been the others with that particular cross to bear.. --- <jason_green2@...> wrote : This notion that, "we are chosen and special" existed in all cultures, tribes and societies all over the world. According to a yogi, this feeling arose out of a "primitive, insular ignorance." Now that the earth is no longer the center of the universe, most societies have gotten over that idea. Only the Zionists and Jihadists continue to hold that view. Integration is not possible unless this fraudulent world-view is dispelled. They too are apes that came down from the trees in the african savannah.
