If consciousness means self-consciousness, then it cannot be identified by logic with the human body. Animals also possess a physical body, but not rational consciousness. If consciousness is a property of the body, it must be perceived like other material properties. That's what I figure - it's not complicated.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : I would say that Steven Newton must have fallen on his head from a apple tree (or it's a pen name). Poor ignorant guy needs to try some meditation and yoga probably and maybe in 15 lifetimes he'll experience enlightenment. Non sequitur. Uh the moon doesn't exist unless someone sees it is just an existential riddle. Consciousness is neither seen, smelled, tasted, touched or heard. Consciousness is private and cannot be shared by others - it is the very constructed character of knowing - knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is the Hindu non-dual Advaita Vedanta and to the same extent, the view of the Consciousness Only School of Tibetan Buddhism. Perhaps Steven dropped out of college too soon. :-D Non sequitur. On 04/10/2015 10:44 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I’ve never done anything to Deepak Chopra. At least, not in this lifetime. Perhaps I’ve mocked his surrealistically bizarre anti-science pronouncements among my friends a few times, or a few thousand times. How could I not when he tweeted that his personal meditation caused an earthquake or claimed that the moon doesn’t exist http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/03/23/does-the-moon-exist/ unless someone sees it? Chopra is so on the fringe, it’s actually fun to read him usually—picture me with tears in my eyes, emitting cackles like Mozart’s braying laugh in Amadeus. But when he goes after evolution, it starts to feel personal—and less amusing. Chopra believes there is some “consciousness” that flows through the universe—an energy field created by all living things, surrounding us and penetrating us, binding the galaxy together…no, wait, that’s the Force I’m thinking of. Chopra’s notion of consciousness has more in common with that of the charlatan book The Secret, which says if you just think really hard you can change reality. (A lot of children engage in this magical thinking, but as they mature they outgrow it—apparently with some exceptions.) So perhaps this universal consciousness helped Chopra sense my negative energy. At a recent conference in New Delhi he reportedly said: Charles Darwin was wrong. Consciousness is key to evolution and we will soon prove that. Why does he have to hurt my brain like this—what have I ever done to him? Darwin “wrong”? Consciousness directing evolution? Evolution being affected by the thinking of beings that haven’t yet evolved, in some sort of tachyon-induced time warp? His words quantum-entangle my mind in a synergistic charlie foxtrot of howling madness. There's more: Why Does Deepak Chopra Hate Me? | NCSE Why Does Deepak Chopra Hate Me? | NCSE I’ve never done anything to Deepak Chopra. At least, not in this lifetime. View on ncse.com Preview by Yahoo
