Ten generations back, Ambrose Dixon came to James Virginia, about 1640. He left 
London England, seeking religious freedom because he was a Quaker. He later 
left Virginia because he and his Quaker brothers felt discriminated against and 
resettled in Maryland where Lord Baltimore granted him land and refuge. 
Somewhere down the line, the Dixons joined Church of Christ in Kentucky. I 
guess I'm the first generation to return to seeking the Kingdom within via 
transcendental awareness.
       From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awareness, Consciousness, Stillness
   
    
I was upin Rochester, Mn. last week and looked to see if there was a 
groupmeditation there. The Quakers there are old-style Hicksite Friendssimply 
sitting in awareness as no-mantra-no-thought stillness. Likethe Fairfield 
Quaker meeting is deeply transcendent meditative thatway. Transcendent, really 
a good activated field effect of pure consciousness without the cultural veneer 
of TM .

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :


Empty, Awareness,pure consciousness. The list of 'correct meditation' in the 
teachingalso includes “no-mantra, no thought”. Stillness. 

Thoughtechnically you are right that thinking the mantra is not 
implicitlytranscendental consciousness, it is just consciousness as 
you'vedefined it by reference. Though as one gets really good at sittingwith 
stillness then this transcendental meditative consciousnessbecomes 
vipassanaic-like in practice. Stillness and even watching thoughtsemerge. 

The realTM tru-believer on hearing that would be horrified though assertingthat 
as mindfulness, as in sitting still is comtemplative and orconcentrative if you 
sit with it and hence no good by TM standard...As our TM Alpha EEG studies 
demonstrate that TM is superior. Come back tothe mantra! Come back! 
Re-introduce the mantra and all costs!Faintly. Easily. Don't just sit there!

However, I feelyou are on to something in experience with your analysis of 
this. Sitwith it some more. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Meditative Fairfield, Iowa     
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

About Consciousness versus Awareness:
One of the characteristics ofTM teachings has always been the conflation of two 
terms - consciousness and awareness.The result is that we liberally use the 
term “pure consciousness” oroccasionally “pure awareness” in our tm-speak.These 
terms are ways that we conceptually identify a reality that is neitherwaking, 
dreaming or sleeping. Usually we call it “the forth state” or“transcendental 
consciousness”.   Supposedly, this terminology describesan “experience” of 
“transcendental consciousness”.  It is described as 1.) remaining “awake inside 
in a state where knower, knowing and knownobject are united”.  Another way 
ofdescribing it is 2.) “dissolving the processof experience into the 
experiencer –thus leaving the experiencer awake andalone within their own 
nature.” Based upon such descriptions, thisterminology then attempts to 
translate and define two Sanskrit yoga terms 1.) “samprajñata-samâdhi”and 2.) 
“asamprajñata-samâdhi”. However, finding comparable words in English 
totranslate these types of Sanskrit yoga terms is notoriously imprecise. 
Consequently,scholars have resorted to all kinds of substitutions – ranging 
from religiousvocabulary to phenomenological terminology to try to establish 
the meaning ofyogic ideas.  We also find similar substitutionsin the tm-speak 
displayed here onFFL. Along this line, something worth considering is the 
blindinter-operability of two words often seen here – consciousness and 
awareness.  So - why should these words be problematic?  By definition, the 
word Latinsourced English word “consciousness” means an “object-defined” 
attention - whether that object ismaterial, sensory or mental. This word 
therefore signifies an attention that isnot only object focused but also one 
that is inherently “objectified” by its ownoperations, functioning and nature.  
 Thus the obvious question - whatisa “pure consciousness” (i.e. 
consciousnesswithout an object)? Is it the opposite of impure Consciousness? 
Ifindeed “impure consciousness” means attention to an object, then also 
anyattention to a mantra is also “impure”. Even if the adjective “pure” is 
added to the word “consciousness”to signify a simple or unmixed consciousness, 
then still, by definition, it signifies a consciousness that is 
intentionallyoriented, actively engaged and objectified.  If the adjective 
“transcendental” is added tothe word “consciousness” then we have merely 
redefined the word to imply aconsciousness that is mystical or supernatural. 
However, by definition, consciousnessalways means “consciousness-of”. Thus the 
label “pure”, simply contrives itselfinto the term “pure consciousness” so that 
it seems to be a realitythat is other or beyond our immediate experience.   
Contrary to this, theSanskrit word “cit”, is the word usuallytranslated as 
“consciousness”. This word in Sanskrit (cit) actually means “awareness”. “Cit” 
has the verbal rootmeaning of “to perceive” and “bright” – each furthering the 
sense of“naturally luminous” or “self-radiant”.  It thus is more accurately 
translated by the Englishword “awareness” which means alertness,illumination, 
recognition and realization. So what does this mean in theTM context? It means 
that the Awareness wenow have while reading these FFL posts is the foundational 
reality for any accuratedefinition of yoga and Advaita. This is especially true 
when explaining thereality of human nature and its development. Your own 
awareness (svachaitanyam, svasamvedana, svajyotish) is already the most 
definitive reality. Thusin Advaita, it is this very “one’s-own-awareness”that 
requires no alteration, no modification or transformation because it isalready 
the most evident yet generally unrecognized reality. The centralinsight of 
Shankara’s Advaita is that this “one’s-own-awareness”is at once both mundane 
and ultimate.  His source is the Upanishads, which state thatBrahman can be  
pointed out by the tripleindication : “satyam, jñânam, anantam”– reality, 
awareness, limitlessness. In case you have doubts, hereis the etymology:  
Consciousness= the state of knowing an external object or a subjective 
perception. The etymology of this Latin-basedword “consciousness” is 
“co/con/com(= with) + scîre (= to know) + ness (= state, quality, condition)”. 
Yet contrary to this Latin basedword is the more simple and native English word 
“awareness”. This is an “Old-English”source-word that conveys a simpler and 
clearer root meaning – i.e. vigilantor watchful; closely observant, alert or 
attentive.  
Shankara makes an important point in Upadesasahasri Shankara did notextol yogic 
nirvikalpa-samaadhi (non-conceptual absorption or transcendence).Rather, 
speaking from the understanding that the Self (Atman) is alreadynirvikalpa by 
nature, he firmly contrasts the true nature of the Self and themind:  AsI have 
no restlessness (viksepa,)I hence have no absorption (samâdhi). Restlessness or 
absorption belong to themind which is changeable. A similar viewis expressed in 
13.17: Howcan samadhi, non-samadhi or anything else which is to be done belong 
to me? Forhaving meditated and known me, they realize that they have completed 
[all] thatneeded to be done.  and 14.35: Inever seen non-samadhi, nor anything 
else [needing] to be purified, belongingto me who am changeless, the pure 
Brahman, free from evil.  In 15.14 Sankara presents a critique ofmeditation as 
an essentially dualistically structured activity: One[comes] to consist of that 
upon which one fixes one’s mind, if one is differentfrom [it]. But there is no 
action in the Self through which to become the Self.[It] does not depend upon 
[anything else] for being the Self, since if [it]depended upon [anything else], 
it would not be the Self.   Furthermore,in 16.39-40, Sankara implicitly 
criticizes the Sankhya-Yoga view that liberationis dissociation from the 
association of purusa and prakrti, when he says:Itis not at all reasonable that 
liberation is either a connection [with Brahman]or a dissociation [from 
prakrti]. For an association is non-eternal and thesame is true for 
dissociation. One’s own nature is never lost.Thus, it isevident from the above 
that Sankara implicitly rejects both the emancipation ofyoga, namely, that 
liberation has to be accomplished through the realdissociation of the purusa 
from prakrti, and the yogic pursuit towards thatend, -  that is, the 
achievement ofnirvikalpa or asamprajata samadhi. Read it and.. [be activated].  
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