On 05/02/2015 12:36 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Then how do you account for the tests on some ayurveda consumers in FF?
Bad practitioners. You don't really need to use exotic untested
compounds. A lot of ayurvedic deals with shifting the metabolism which
easily done through inexpensive common herbs. When the metabolism is out
of balance disease occurs.
I have a friend here, businessman, meditator who used an outfit called
Amrita Veda, run by a real nice Israeli guy from California (I met
him, his name is Avi) - Bruce was feeling not so good after a couple
years of taking numerous ayurvedic supplements and had them tested by
a lab and most of them were high in lead, cadmium. mercury and other
heavy metals. Bruce had to go through a metal detox to get rid of all
the stuff. Avi said his stuff is tested by a lab - in Italy.
What did I say in my response? Many supplement manufacturers want
testing but you have to see the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies
who want to steal this segment for themselves.
What you are not taking into account is the way the herbs are gathered
and handled and the facilites they are processed in - unfortunately a
lot of the stuff gets contaminated. Dunno if that's true of MAPI stuff
but it happens and it has nothing to do with Big Pharma and everything
to do with Indians who don't take care in their business processes.
I also visited an ayurvedic hospital in Kerala that had it's own modern
manufacturing facilities and testing. There has also been experiment to
see what ayurvedic herbs could be grown in the US. And there are
practitioners who use alternative western herbs that have similar
properties to the ayurvedic ones.
Also it's more the rich in India who get the ayurvedic treatments not
the poor. The latter can't afford them anymore than having their
astrology chart done.
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*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
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*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Italian Article on Ayurveda
Dumb article by an ignorant journalist probably paid for by Big
Pharma. True there is a problem with toxic preparations. But I've
talked to people who ran an ayurvedic supplement company who were in
favor of government regulation mainly to be sure the ingredients they
were buying were safe and what they were supposed to be. What they
didn't want was what the pharmaceutical companies want and that is
"pull the ladder up" regulations.
For those who don't know "pull the ladder up" is when a company gets
legislation that favors them. In the case of Big Pharma they would
push for legislation that included testing only they could afford
mainly because they already have the labs for it. And that level of
testing may not be needed at all for smaller companies.
My trip to India in the 1990s was ayurvedic centric. We visited the
ayurvedic department at Benares Hindu University (a big campus) and
the head of the department took us on a tour of their gardens. They
had to replace the placards which gave the name of a plant with a
number or riff-raff would come in and steal the plants at night.
Ayurveda is based on biochemistry which is also the basis for
conventional medicine. There is MAPI but there is also the Ayurvedic
Institute headed by Dr. Vasant Lad. There are a number of
preparations that the Institute publishes that can be prepared out of
stuff most people have in their kitchen cabinets. Now you can just
imagine how Big Pharma feels about that given that inexpensive herbal
compounds might be just as effective or better than their drugs made
to drive you into bankruptcy for their profit.
Wake up and smell the politics.
On 05/01/2015 04:56 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
<mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Italian Article referencing Fairfield, IA. So I thought it would be
appropriate to share here since it is FFL. This is a Google
translation with the original link at the bottom.
*Ayurveda really work? *
Ayurveda is one of the most popular alternative medicines, but what
is the basis, and what is the evidence of its effectiveness?
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*Published*April 24, 2015
Ayurveda is a form of alternative medicine and as such is often
defense based on the principle " /I have nothing to lose to try it/
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", but the reality is quite different.
In April 2011, in Iowa, a man has undergone a medical examination
because of *intracranial hemorrhage* he suffered two years earlier.
Doctors riscontrarono worsening of *neurological deficits,* and it
identified the cause of lead poisoning from an *Ayurvedic
preparation* bought in *India* with which man was treating.
For six months after a group of epidemiologists then offered
screening to patients of the same community who practiced the
*'Ayurveda.* In early April, were published
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the results of the study of 115 people tested, 40% had concentrations
of lead in the blood much higher than normal. In Ayurvedic
preparations provided by the patients (pills, powders, liquids) were
present
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, in addition to lead, even high levels of mercury, arsenic and other
heavy metals.
Over the years it emerged several cases of poisoning
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linked to Ayurveda, but this is the most serious incident to date
documented.
These anomalies comparable to cases of food poisoning, or are the
theory and practice of *'Ayurveda* that carry *more risks than
benefits?*
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*
*What is Ayurveda*
The history of Ayurveda is very similar to that of Chinese medicine
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(MTC): both practices are born thousands of years ago, before modern
science, in specific geographic locations, and
*mystical-philosophical* roots. Behind them it sees a principle
similar to that of the Western theory of humors, that *diseases*
always derive from some form of imbalance between */fluid/* or
*/vital energy,/* that nell'Ayrveda are called */doshas./*
The treatments focus mainly on the *'ingestion of preparations* of
various origins and changes in their *lifestyle,* with the help of
*massage* and *meditation.* There are also *surgical procedures*
derived Ayurvedic, but today they are much less popular.
Both the MTC that the *'Ayurveda* were then exported to the rest of
the world, and in particular have become popular among Westerners,
always looking for ancient wisdom.
A famous preacher of Ayurvedic medicine is Deepak Chopra
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, doctor of Indian origin that thanks to /The/ /Oprah Winfrey Show/
'90s has become familiar to many Americans.
*Chopra,*with the help of the inevitable *quantum mechanics,* is one
of many who in recent decades have worked hard to give all
*'Ayurveda* a scientific legitimacy.
*
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*Ayurveda test*
As with all alternative medicines, there are abundant anecdotal
/evidence/ of the effectiveness of *'Ayurveda,* but were made very
few rigorous clinical trials.
Some Ayurvedic treatments seem to have some positive effects
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(in some cases comparable to drug therapies) for pain, while for the
treatment of symptoms or conditions less subjective efficacy trials
are virtually absent
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.
Many of the benefits attributed to Ayurveda are probably due to the
change of *lifestyle* that imposes, which enhances the role of
*'exercise* of' *power* and *sleep,* the importance of which is also
known to medicine.
As for the remedies that come from plants, it is then reasonable to
expect that among the hundreds of preparations with thousands of
species may tick *molecules* that are of real interest to the
medicine: for example *reserpine,* one of the first real drugs
against psychoses, was isolated from the roots of */Rauwolfia
serpentine,/* *//* used in Ayurveda.
It is also certain that plants such as */Boswellia serrata/* have
analgesic and anti-inflammatory
<http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a2813.long> , and according to
some test would lower blood cholesterol levels. In the latter case,
however, it is yet to be determined if its effectiveness is
*desirable* than, for example, to a change in diet or medications
already on the market: as with any treatment you should understand
not only /if/ it works, but /what./
But the discovery of new therapeutic molecules from dall'etnobotanica
is not nothing new
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legitimate and not one iota pre-scientific principles of mysticism
and ancient Indian medicine.
Moreover, it is was demonstrated
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that the diagnostic methods used by healers are completely inconsistent.
He writes about it with your doctor Edzard Ernst:
"It is as if you went by your family doctor and these measure your
blood pressure, or your weight or cholesterol level or any other
parameter with a test that produces a different result every time
someone tries to repeat it."
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*"I have nothing to lose to try it"**
*
If efficacy trials are virtually non-existent, you can not say the
same risk. In this case it is not just the *danger* that someone
abandon *medicine* in the hope of healing: there is a real risk of
*poisoning,* as demonstrated in the case of Iowa.
Part of the problem is common to all practices herbal: when using
direct parts of *plants* is impossible to accurately assess the
*amount* of a certain molecule in the final product that goes to the
consumer.
A *herbalist prepared* traditionally or for education, certainly
knows how to *avoid problems* with the plants more dangerous, but as
you can control all the products which, legally or not, are sold all
over the world?
In Ayurveda also the recipes are very complex: a single treatment may
contain, in addition to metals and minerals, *dozens of plants,*
sometimes previously cooked. This means that although it is
theoretically possible to produce Ayurvedic preparations in line with
the rules euorepee, it is virtually impossible to have a capillary
*controls quality* of imported material that are equal to those of
Western herbalism.
In India most of the population is "care" with Ayurveda, but this is
especially true because the drugs that are discounted for us are *too
expensive* for many people
In Italy, fortunately, Ayurveda is generally practiced by doctors,
Salvo Grazia (aka Medbunker) but recommended
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:
"In conclusion then: be wary of unsafe products and unaudited.
Relying only doctors are registered as qualified, always talk with
your doctor to see if you can resort to this type of practice or if
it was not advisable to view their disease. Suffice to say that the
Ayurvedic medicine, which we considered almost a "whim" a bit
'quirky, in India it is used by the poorer class (because often
practiced by healers improvised) but for real diseases, even in that
country, are turning hospitals, when they exist. "
L'Ayurveda funziona davvero? - Wired
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