I use Banyan Botanicals myself.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Italian Article on Ayurveda
On 05/02/2015 12:36 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Then how do you account for the tests on some ayurveda consumers in FF?
Bad practitioners. You don't really need to use exotic untested compounds. A
lot of ayurvedic deals with shifting the metabolism which easily done through
inexpensive common herbs. When the metabolism is out of balance disease occurs.
I have a friend here, businessman, meditator who used an outfit called
Amrita Veda, run by a real nice Israeli guy from California (I met him, his
name is Avi) - Bruce was feeling not so good after a couple years of taking
numerous ayurvedic supplements and had them tested by a lab and most of them
were high in lead, cadmium. mercury and other heavy metals. Bruce had to go
through a metal detox to get rid of all the stuff. Avi said his stuff is tested
by a lab - in Italy.
What did I say in my response? Many supplement manufacturers want testing but
you have to see the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies who want to steal
this segment for themselves.
What you are not taking into account is the way the herbs are gathered and
handled and the facilites they are processed in - unfortunately a lot of the
stuff gets contaminated. Dunno if that's true of MAPI stuff but it happens and
it has nothing to do with Big Pharma and everything to do with Indians who
don't take care in their business processes.
I also visited an ayurvedic hospital in Kerala that had it's own modern
manufacturing facilities and testing. There has also been experiment to see
what ayurvedic herbs could be grown in the US. And there are practitioners who
use alternative western herbs that have similar properties to the ayurvedic
ones.
Also it's more the rich in India who get the ayurvedic treatments not the
poor. The latter can't afford them anymore than having their astrology chart
done.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
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Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Italian Article on Ayurveda
Dumb article by an ignorant journalist probably paid for by Big
Pharma. True there is a problem with toxic preparations. But I've talked to
people who ran an ayurvedic supplement company who were in favor of government
regulation mainly to be sure the ingredients they were buying were safe and
what they were supposed to be. What they didn't want was what the
pharmaceutical companies want and that is "pull the ladder up" regulations.
For those who don't know "pull the ladder up" is when a company gets
legislation that favors them. In the case of Big Pharma they would push for
legislation that included testing only they could afford mainly because they
already have the labs for it. And that level of testing may not be needed at
all for smaller companies.
My trip to India in the 1990s was ayurvedic centric. We visited the ayurvedic
department at Benares Hindu University (a big campus) and the head of the
department took us on a tour of their gardens. They had to replace the
placards which gave the name of a plant with a number or riff-raff would come
in and steal the plants at night.
Ayurveda is based on biochemistry which is also the basis for conventional
medicine. There is MAPI but there is also the Ayurvedic Institute headed by Dr.
Vasant Lad. There are a number of preparations that the Institute publishes
that can be prepared out of stuff most people have in their kitchen cabinets.
Now you can just imagine how Big Pharma feels about that given that inexpensive
herbal compounds might be just as effective or better than their drugs made to
drive you into bankruptcy for their profit.
Wake up and smell the politics.
On 05/01/2015 04:56 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Italian Article referencing Fairfield, IA. So I thought it would be
appropriate to share here since it is FFL. This is a Google translation with
the original link at the bottom.
Ayurvedareally work?
Ayurveda is one of the most popular alternative medicines, but what is the
basis, and what is the evidence of its effectiveness?
Published April 24, 2015
Ayurveda is a form of alternative medicine and as such is often defense
based on the principle " I have nothing to lose to try it ", but the reality is
quite different.
In April 2011, in Iowa, a man has undergone a medical examination because of
intracranial hemorrhage he suffered two years earlier. Doctors riscontrarono
worsening of neurological deficits, and it identified the cause of lead
poisoning from an Ayurvedic preparation bought in India with which man was
treating.
For six months after a group of epidemiologists then offered screening to
patients of the same community who practiced the 'Ayurveda. In early April,
were published the results of the study of 115 people tested, 40% had
concentrations of lead in the blood much higher than normal. In Ayurvedic
preparations provided by the patients (pills, powders, liquids) were present ,
in addition to lead, even high levels of mercury, arsenic and other heavy
metals.
Over the years it emerged several cases of poisoning linked to Ayurveda, but
this is the most serious incident to date documented.
These anomalies comparable to cases of food poisoning, or are the theory and
practice of 'Ayurveda that carry more risks than benefits?
What is Ayurveda
The history of Ayurveda is very similar to that of Chinese medicine (MTC):
both practices are born thousands of years ago, before modern science, in
specific geographic locations, and mystical-philosophical roots. Behind them it
sees a principle similar to that of the Western theory of humors, that diseases
always derive from some form of imbalance between fluid or vital energy, that
nell'Ayrveda are called doshas.
The treatments focus mainly on the 'ingestion of preparations of various
origins and changes in their lifestyle, with the help of massage and
meditation. There are also surgical procedures derived Ayurvedic, but today
they are much less popular.
Both the MTC that the 'Ayurveda were then exported to the rest of the world,
and in particular have become popular among Westerners, always looking for
ancient wisdom.
A famous preacher of Ayurvedic medicine is Deepak Chopra , doctor of Indian
origin that thanks to The Oprah Winfrey Show '90s has become familiar to many
Americans. Chopra, with the help of the inevitable quantum mechanics, is one
of many who in recent decades have worked hard to give all 'Ayurveda a
scientific legitimacy.
Ayurveda test
As with all alternative medicines, there are abundant anecdotal evidence of
the effectiveness of 'Ayurveda, but were made very few rigorous clinical
trials.
Some Ayurvedic treatments seem to have some positive effects (in some cases
comparable to drug therapies) for pain, while for the treatment of symptoms or
conditions less subjective efficacy trials are virtually absent .
Many of the benefits attributed to Ayurveda are probably due to the change of
lifestyle that imposes, which enhances the role of 'exercise of' power and
sleep, the importance of which is also known to medicine.
As for the remedies that come from plants, it is then reasonable to expect
that among the hundreds of preparations with thousands of species may tick
molecules that are of real interest to the medicine: for example reserpine, one
of the first real drugs against psychoses, was isolated from the roots of
Rauwolfia serpentine, used in Ayurveda.
It is also certain that plants such as Boswellia serrata have analgesic and
anti-inflammatory , and according to some test would lower blood cholesterol
levels. In the latter case, however, it is yet to be determined if its
effectiveness is desirable than, for example, to a change in diet or
medications already on the market: as with any treatment you should understand
not only if it works, but what.
But the discovery of new therapeutic molecules from dall'etnobotanica is not
nothing new, legitimate and not one iota pre-scientific principles of mysticism
and ancient Indian medicine.
Moreover, it is was demonstrated that the diagnostic methods used by healers
are completely inconsistent.
He writes about it with your doctor Edzard Ernst: "It is as if you went by
your family doctor and these measure your blood pressure, or your weight or
cholesterol level or any other parameter with a test that produces a different
result every time someone tries to repeat it."
"I have nothing to lose to try it"
If efficacy trials are virtually non-existent, you can not say the same risk.
In this case it is not just the danger that someone abandon medicine in the
hope of healing: there is a real risk of poisoning, as demonstrated in the case
of Iowa.
Part of the problem is common to all practices herbal: when using direct
parts of plants is impossible to accurately assess the amount of a certain
molecule in the final product that goes to the consumer.
A herbalist prepared traditionally or for education, certainly knows how to
avoid problems with the plants more dangerous, but as you can control all the
products which, legally or not, are sold all over the world?
In Ayurveda also the recipes are very complex: a single treatment may
contain, in addition to metals and minerals, dozens of plants, sometimes
previously cooked. This means that although it is theoretically possible to
produce Ayurvedic preparations in line with the rules euorepee, it is
virtually impossible to have a capillary controls quality of imported material
that are equal to those of Western herbalism.
In India most of the population is "care" with Ayurveda, but this is
especially true because the drugs that are discounted for us are too expensive
for many people
In Italy, fortunately, Ayurveda is generally practiced by doctors, Salvo
Grazia (aka Medbunker) but recommended :
"In conclusion then: be wary of unsafe products and unaudited. Relying only
doctors are registered as qualified, always talk with your doctor to see if
you can resort to this type of practice or if it was not advisable to view
their disease. Suffice to say that the Ayurvedic medicine, which we considered
almost a "whim" a bit 'quirky, in India it is used by the poorer class (because
often practiced by healers improvised) but for real diseases, even in that
country, are turning hospitals, when they exist. "
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