I can't disagree with any of your points, Xeno, or really add to them, so I won't even try.
What I will comment on is my amused anticipation of the display of "ego centered mind" and the "narcissist's dream" and the "self importance in an immature mind" we have in store for us as Jimbo melts down in response to Curtis calling him on his claim over on The_Leak. That's really going to be fun to watch. :-) From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? Part of the problem in the TM sphere is the Hindu-derived language. The word 'self' to any average person is a tag for the ego. Then if you say 'self' becomes 'Self' the ego-centred mind really tends to hear 'ego becomes EGO'. It is not that 'self' and 'Self' are really conceptually the same, but that 'you' (the ego) will become 'Self', so that implies to the ego that it will be transformed into 'Self', when in fact, it will be eventually shunted aside, and at least substantially destroyed, something the ego never wants to happen. Buddha I think made the idea a bit more workable by just saying there is no self, there is only whatever, something that cannot be described. In some ways even Christianity is more workable in that the individual is humbled before its concept of god, a means to suppress ego. So in a way the Hindu terminology is a narcissist's dream, in that it tends to mistakenly foster self importance in an immature mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: aryavazhi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, "What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm <gulp> *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life?" YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example of it, that's all. The entire TMO "path" was about Maharishi trying to convince people how important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the *reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it. IMO the "why" of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their* self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by Maharishi. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them, being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be more "special," but to become less so. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. I'm grateful to "TM as a practice" the way I'm grateful for being taught to read in kindergarten. TM is a very, very, very, very, very basic and introductory practice, but hey! we all have to start somewhere, and TM provided that start for me. I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them "the highest teachings." These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: "srijau@..." <srijau@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. 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