/What you need to realize, Buck, is that some of the FFL informants may be envious of you, living and working on a farm out in the country and meditating in a barn or inside a dome. Like they were JELLOS of Jim and his enlightenment.
For all we know, they may be living in the back of beyond out on the road to erewhon, in a boarding house somewhere or in the basement of their aged parents. Maybe it's been decades since they last meditated in a group or even talked about TM to their old friends. Thanks for trying to make them feel better about themselves. Sometimes if you can just keep people talking about their pre-conditions. they will get better Some people DO feel better when they have someone to talk to, especially after they have thrown all their old friends under the bus and they are feeling lonely late at night in their room or in a cafe without a date./ Quoting "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>:
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Some people evidently are not amenable to group collaborations which it seems is why groups, organizations or larger society may well protect and preserve themselves for the utility and well-being of their larger membership by removing or separating destructive asocial members. There is good reason to lack trust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has been allowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of a fear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of putting ones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied the opportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all the snark of the ad hominem attack. It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum. Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills, habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control. The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying Turqb asserting..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community. The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL. Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict. Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here. Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process? Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring. Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away. The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking. A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community. Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or
“You
lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend. Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb, Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here. It could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'? We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooooooooooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
