Maybe Barry 1 wanted ti be a celibate Hindu and so he thought he was chanting the sacred names of the Hindu gods when he used to pray and initiate. Apparently he thought Fred Lenz was the last incarnation of Lord Vishnu too. Go figure.
---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote : Because pujas like mantras are a device. The dieties are symbolic. You are setting things up for a form of energy transferral (shaktipat). If you want to look upon those names of "Hindu gods" as some kind of living beings then you are looking at this like a fundamentalist. But, in previous messages Barry 1 claimed to be a "Buddhist". At this point in his posting career, he seems to have run out of information about spiritual teaching and so he lives in the past, when he was on a spiritual path and teaching a relaxation technique. Sometime people get their metaphysics mixed up. Go figure. On 05/30/2015 06:45 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the post titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of the D word," I'll try to put it a different way, in hopes that one of you will be able to explain things to me and to others reading this forum. See, here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or former TM teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as cultists, but you ACTED like cultists for many years, LYING to literally every person you instructed. In the intro lectures you gave to these people, you parroted what you had been told to say if the subject of religion came up -- "TM is NOT a religion." What I'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you instruct someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the puja in Sanskrit, but you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher Training Course to "hold the English meaning of the words lively in your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit words. You were even *tested* on your ability to do this before you became a teacher. So here's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in Sanskrit but with the following English-language meaning "lively in your mind" the whole time: To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down. To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain complete fulfillment. So what's up with this? I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*, saying that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who were either mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had all of this bowing down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every time you instructed someone. And yet the next time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked straight into the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM religious?" and you told them "No. Absolutely not. No way TM is religious." Do you see my problem with this? You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively in your mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every* intro lecture you ever gave you said that TM was not in any way religious. Please explain this to me. How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this? Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the post titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of the D word," I'll try to put it a different way, in hopes that one of you will be able to explain things to me and to others reading this forum. See, here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or former TM teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as cultists, but you ACTED like cultists for many years, LYING to literally every person you instructed. In the intro lectures you gave to these people, you parroted what you had been told to say if the subject of religion came up -- "TM is NOT a religion." What I'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you instruct someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the puja in Sanskrit, but you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher Training Course to "hold the English meaning of the words lively in your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit words. You were even *tested* on your ability to do this before you became a teacher. So here's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in Sanskrit but with the following English-language meaning "lively in your mind" the whole time: To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down. To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain complete fulfillment. So what's up with this? I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*, saying that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who were either mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had all of this bowing down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every time you instructed someone. And yet the next time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked straight into the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM religious?" and you told them "No. Absolutely not. No way TM is religious." Do you see my problem with this? You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively in your mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every* intro lecture you ever gave you said that TM was not in any way religious. Please explain this to me. How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this?
