So, it's all about Richard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :
You've made a strawman argument, Xeno. Jim's point, which you have not addressed, was explicit: "The [Yahoo] guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum." This isn't about Yahoo "enforcing" its guidelines, much less about the recent Supreme Court case (which wasn't actually about "free speech"), or any legal issue, for that matter. Nor is it about what may happen on other groups. Trolling isn't illegal, but permitting it degrades the quality of discussion, whether it's by Richard's flooding the forum with idiotic prattle or Barry "pushing buttons" specifically to incite angry reactions. So, why can't I post idiotic prattle? It's not fair. LoL! Plus which, as Jim has gone on to point out to you, the group setting "not moderated" refers to approving or disapproving messages before they're posted. There is indeed moderation after the fact on FFL in certain very specific situations, as Alex noted (he left out breach of privacy, e.g., outing the real name of a person who wishes to remain anonymous). It's a question of *how much* moderation takes place and on what basis. This group lost a significant segment of its regular participants due to unrestrained malicious trolling. They represented a general perspective of which the group is now largely deprived. There's a real sense in which a group does not qualify as a "free speech zone" if those members taking one side of an argument are treated so badly by the other side that they no longer want to participate. Now this is ironic - I've probably been treated as badly as anyone subscribing to this group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : It is for Yahoo to enforce guidelines, not Rick. According to the Fairfield Life home page, it says specifically in the group settings that 'messages are not moderated'. The choice to moderate content or not is left to the group administrator, and this is a choice Rick has made according to the way Yahoo set up the site. So Alex's job description here does not include moderating the content of the messages either. Yahoo made the guidelines and it is their responsibility if there is a responsibility here, since they also made the option to not moderate content available to the group administrator. The question to ask is why are you still here complaining about it? Your complaints are directed to the wrong people. Yahoo in fact might have far less leeway in enforcing guidelines after the recent supreme court decision concerning on-line free speech. You have your own content-moderated group by choice, so what is drawing you to a place you clearly SAY you do not like? This is insane behaviour. You have obviously not looked at some of the other so-called 'spiritual' groups on Yahoo and other places where similar ideological battles take place. Some get overrun with spam. Quite a lot simply die from lack of interest. Quite a lot of them hide messages from non-members so you cannot see what it is really about without joining. Some are moderated by their administrators, and some are not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@...> wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day.
