Hi Curtis,Well I'm completely appalled when people greet each other with Jai
Guru Dev! That's kind of what I'm poking at. I honor that someone honors
another human being and have been known to say "namaste" myself. But saying Jai
Guru Dev rather than hello seems like a highjacking of a sincere honoring and
turning it into something rote and meaningless.
Warning: more softening ahead! OTOH, I acknowledge that I might be wrong about
a person's inner experience when they say Jai Guru Dev. Nonetheless, I think a
good course of action is to trust my own instincts about another's sincerity
and/or groundedness. And I further recognize that people perhaps say Jai Guru
Dev in an intentional way, intending to have a deeper experience of life. I'm
happy if it works for them.
I think you especially but also Xeno, empty and barry2 generally take an
intellectual, philosophical and fascinating approach to discussing TM, etc. I
enjoy reading these but tend to have a more psychological angle on the world.
Such an angle can degenerate into analyzing people's childhood issues and
personalities and lifestyles. Enjoyment then can be less.
Ok, Curtis, now to address your main point, or at least attempt to. And it
totally has to do with the reason I wish you guys would visit here. As best as
I can tell, lots of people here aren't going by any guru's insights. Nor even
by any guru's experiences. They are living by their own insights and
experiences.
That for me is proof of TM's efficacy.
When in SCI I heard Maharishi say that TM transcends its own activity, I had a
flash of insight. That TM totally liberates the seeker, even from itself, to
use an awkward wording. And I admit it leads to a conundrum: one is filled with
gratitude for a system one no longer needs! I don't know, maybe it's just a GC
phase (-:
I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is "wrong."
And also what exactly you mean by "wrong." Harmful to life?
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
Hi Share. Comments below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor
his master. He was completely against this even when it was directed toward
him. The concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used this term is antithetical
to human equality. By combining the buzz word terminology used to maintain a
hierarchy with an idea of egalitarianism it basically cancels out the
intellectual value and integrity of both ideas and philosophies.
S:
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and
haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a
little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present
day skin in the game!
Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging, not the
eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing Maharishi's
teaching, it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie many movement
participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe in the concept of a
guru as a person with the kind of insight into life claimed by gurus, then the
difference between how this belief gets mixed up in a personal philosophy is
irrelevant to the challenge to the idea. Saying for example, "I believe
Maharishi was enlightened and that enlightened people know the reality of life
but I don't follow what he says exactly" is just a statement about how
incongruent most people's philosophies are. It is not a refutation of the
challenge that guru's have not provided enough evidence to support their claims
to special states of mind and knowledge about the world.
S:
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And
I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad!
Me: I guess you say this kind of thing to soften your having a personal opinion
on something here. I don't believe you need to apologize for that. I think it
is great that you love FFL and have chosen those beliefs out of Maharishi's
system that serve you. My criticism of his teaching is never a personal attack
on your life choices. I wish you lots of happiness and good things for your
life while believing sincerely that Maharishi's philosophy is wrong on almost
everything it claims.
Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-:
I finally looked up TTFN...
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and
rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy immensely the absence of
the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely because they are made far far away
from Ground Zero, so to speak. And I will even more immensely enjoy the more
tamasic of said negative rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-:
Hey, whatdya know , I'm still here! Jai Guru Me!
But I don't really think there's been a deluge of anti-TMO offerings. What I
recall is a lot of people who have personal and first hand experience of the
weird cult that is TM have expressed - and justified - opinions that people
like you and Buck don't like.
Why you don't like it is a mystery to me, this is - or was - a discussion room
for people with opinions about TM, the TMO and anything else, to share. It's
all on the home page.
But now Buck has assumed control and deleted all the interesting posters this
place is now effectively just a bliss bunny forum with nothing to say. This is
sad. The natural conclusion of censorship is that the only posts remaining are
the ones nobody wants to read.
Look at what Buck used as an excuse to get rid of MJ. It's pathetic. I can't
believe you lot are just going to go along with it and not object. But I guess
that's what lifetime in a cult does for you. I remember being in the TMO and
voicing a contrary opinion and was told that this is a dictatorship and my
opinion wasn't relevant if it contradicted Marshy.
Funny thing is, Buck was a victim of this fearful fascism and banned from the
domes for ages. He came here to rant about it.
Now he's back in the fold he's come over all Jai Guru Dev and wants to treat us
(you) the same way he was treated.
Ironic huh?
Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers aresaying
that too much social media damages the third eye. One of them isactually
closing all of his FB pages.
Probably just doesn't like the ability of people to offer a contrary opinion.
Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good health,
etc.
Yeah, and you Share. You have been a source of fun here when you posted more.
And I got some good book recommendations from you. I always thank people who
open my eyes to things.
Somehow I'll have to find something else to do on my tea break!
TTFN ;-) From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
Ouch!
I read xeno's post this morning, but couldn't reply. (of course it's all in
the yahoo/ffl/mailarchive), but I guess a line was crossed.
Too bad, cuz I like xeno's brand of cynicism for the most part, and of course,
that dry, dry sense of humor.
That will not easily be replaced, IMO.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of theyahoo-groups guidelines
of invading privacy or slurring people on yahoo-groups. Bye.
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