---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech.
Me: I'll bet our idea of civility would be a pretty close match. But it is a subjective evaluation. The question is who do you trust to make such a judgement call for you? Buck? His view may match yours, it does not match mine. Remember, he canned Barry for what was a personal opinion about Lynch. There was nothing uncivil about it IMO. So freedom means not being subject to that kind of judgement, especially without reasonable recourse to challenge. That is movement freedom where you are free to do anything THEY want. And he didn't save anyone from Xeno and Michael, he just used his power to kick them off because he felt personally insulted. Feste: IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. Me: I think the analogy is off. It is more like the people you see at the mailboxes in an apartment building. If someone acts like an ass you just avoid them and don't engage with them. Some people here act as if they are forced to read posts. I read very few posts here. What goes on in posts I don't read is really none of my business unless I go out of my way to make it my business by interacting. Feste: But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. Me: The social example is too intimate. It would be like being at a huge New Year's eve party where you can strike up a conversation and if you sense buttholeidtude, you just say, "excuse me but I have to go see a man about a horse" and leave them standing their with their drink in their hand and their mouth open. Now if the person tries to chase you down and MAKE you listen to them, or if they follow you home, you might need the authorities to straighten them out or get a restraining order. If Buck had earned the groups trust by showing up as a reasonable person whose values more people trusted he would not have gotten this push back. In order to silence critics ,who he refers to as apostates using ominous old time religious language to disparage, he will happily see FFL go under. My guess is that he will get his wish. This place is doomed as an interesting place to have discussions with him judging content. Very few people have been trained in how to discuss ideas without making it personal. You have seen it a million times here. Someone takes a shot at Maharishi or his ideas and then someone goes after them personally. It has happened to me more often than not. I accept that and only continue if the person has something interesting to say to prolong the discussion so I get my writing prompt. I am at peace with the idea that I will have to be insulted by people who can't separate ideas from their identity or are just bitchy people and interact that way. Some very bright people here are personally argumentative and cantankerous. I will happily take the good with the bad to have a conversation that interests me. I don't need anyone making that call for me. Especially not someone who does not share my values of tolerating eccentricity if the person is worth chatting with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
