I'll give you that!
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
We hold these truths to be self evident... certain unalienable Rights,among
these are LIFE! Unalienable is defined as, *can not be denied*. Without the
most fundamental right of life, no other rights matter. When does life begin?
Theologically, that is open to discussion. Biologically, it begins when
Conjoined DNA begins to divide. It is the very beginning of life, it's
self.That DNA is not the mother's, it's not the father's, it is the unique DNA
of separate human being with all of it's potential from beginning to end. It
has a right that can not be denied. Socially and theologically speaking, that
unalienable right to life is considered sacred as long as it is innocent.
Violate specific laws of society and that sacred value can be forfeited by the
law breaker, it's his conscious decision. But never was it intended to to be
denied on a basis of someone else's circumstances/ convenience. Do we really
want to go down that road? Hitler did, as did many other tyrants and they have
been traditionally labeled as EVIL, even Anti-Christ. I speak in biological
terms of life because we value our society in secular terms and spiritual
values are not considered valid anymore because certain people don't want
other's religions imposed upon them..
You feel that life has a right to exist the moment an egg and a sperm come into
contact. Others believe it is at 4 months. Still others believe if a life is
still encased in their womb they have the right to determine, at any time,
whether it should be born. Who is right? Does it depend upon individual
circumstance? (Not according to you.) Right vs wrong. Absolute vs relative. The
challenge of determining these things will continue as long as humankind has a
brain to reason with and a heart to feel. From: "emily.mae50@...
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
To me, black and white thinking takes on the cloak of "casual, indifferent,
etc.", or "blasé," if you will. The remark "Oh shit! I missed my period! I'm
really *f"ed* now!" seemed off the cuff and appeared to indicate a prejudiced
and surficial understanding of the issue...."blasé."
Curiously, Mike, do you believe in the soul? Do you believe in the eternal
soul? Do you believe that the soul dies along with a potential life that was
aborted by the mother, a potential life that could not survive independently at
6 weeks and that even nature aborts naturally at times (called miscarriages).
Do you believe that it could be possible that if there is a soul, that the soul
may "live" to incarnate in a different host/mother? Just food for thought.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I draw the line with *murder* as one human willfully killing another innocent
human. There's manslaughter, accidents etc.Then there is killing for food.I can
admire one who observes ahimsa as going above and beyond the call of duty as a
penance.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
"My blase attitudes", did I get that right? How can anything be more blase than
to sweep away and destroy an innocent human life because you're not ready to be
responsible for*it* yet? It's freaking murder! A women's right to murder? The
Supreme Court will wake up one day, just as they did when they ruled one human
can not own another or that Slaves were not 3/5ths of a human being, because
"all men are created equal" under the law. That took two hundred years to get
right , but it happened. Science is moving the understanding of life forward
very fast. If the science of DNA can put a person in prison for life for a
crime, it will save a life that is innocent of a crime. It's not her body that
she kills. FYI, all person's involved in the creation of another, need to be
equally responsible for that life. Yes, that presents new social problems but
the first rule is do no harm to innocent life.
I love your passion, Mike. I am of the belief that all lives are created equal.
When I say that I mean ALL lives. Human or animal. Blasphemous? Perhaps. Maybe.
Likely. To kill any thing is a kind of murder. Killing a fetus is destroying
life. Butchering a terrified, bleating cow is destroying a life. Euthanizing an
old and decrepit dog is destroying a life. Is life sacred? Probably. What is
sacred? Anything that is created. Is allowing something to live sometimes
opening the way for suffering? Yes. Is destroying a life sometimes decreasing
the chances of suffering? Yes. Is it better to overdose a dangerous horse with
phenyl barbital so it doesn't kill somebody merciful? Is aborting an unwanted
baby the right thing to do? Is there ever the justification for causing death
of a living being? It all gets so complicated. Is the death penalty ever
warranted? Are unwanted, unloved, abused children happy to have been given the
chance to live despite the fact they may have been conceived by rape? I can't
answer this but what I do know is that human beings are given hundreds of
chances to make choices every moment of every day and the freedom to make those
choices must remain intact.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
There is another issue I'd like to comment on about ignorant men thinking they
know all about pregnancy and childbirth and raising children on their own with
no support—particularly the ones that think they should judge, condemn, and
legislate women's rights. Yes, Mike, it's the girl "who missed her period"
that's at fault, right? Not the boy or man with the raging hormones who
pressured her and pressured her and pressured her to give in to his desires and
then left the scene.....give me a break.
I'm not saying you shouldn't stand by your religious convictions, but maybe you
ought to dig a little deeper into your "blasé" attitudes.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are *Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness*- That to secure these
rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from
the consent of the governed.Your right to *privacy* will not stand against
another person's right to Life.... much longer, religion or no religion. You
will need to abolish the first amendment that grants freedom of political
speech and freedom of religion first. Everyone knows that the overwhelming
majority of abortions in this country are simply birth control, "Oh shit! I
missed my period! I'm really *f"ed* now!" It's rarely about health or life of
the mother. Fifty-three million abortions can not account for that. ""Why would
I want my daughter to be *punished* with a child?" Obama's words, not mine.
This is the mind set of *Me first* and to hell with what's right. It is the
purest of evil and it will not stand.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
Whether you like it or not, abortion is legal in this country. To jeopardize
the health of poor women because of your religious convictions is untenable.
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