And there is the law of the jungle! The force of evolution. The end of hunting,
gathering civilizations were and still are coming to an end. How many are there
now? Just isolated pockets that anthropologists preserve to study. Does it seem
logical that an entire hemisphere would remain untouched to preserve an ancient
civilization living under stone age conditions?Science , sociology,
anthropology, medicine etc, the world economy, were not developed enough to
ensure their preservation as it was. Nature was bringing them along. It was
time. Look what happened to Neanderthals. Nature often demands that we adapt or
die out. I understand the romance of it all but nature doesn't work like that.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Ann, I can't speak for your family but most of mine, that I'm aware of, came
here before there were any laws governing immigration. I'm talking 1640 to
1680's. I don't think the United States had any immigration laws until the
twentieth century. I'm also pretty certain, though not positive, the Native
population didn't either. As far as trespassing goes, there was no deed to
land, no ownership. Indians fought among themselves for territory. Might made
right. We were just another group throwing our weight around.... a lot of
weight. I'm not saying us pale faces were exactly fair but there was a trade
off. Native populations were brought into the industrial age out of the stone
age.
You are talking law and policies and yet you ignore the stark reality.
Basically, foreignors came ashore and usurped the native population. Some of
these aboriginals died of disease, some died as a result of genocide and the
rest by the results engendered by the slow creep of the belief that the
newcomers had the right to take what they wanted and needed and did so
inexorably over time finally destroying most of the culture and language of
these native populations. There are laws that are not written, are not
legislated by any government that are still laws and powerful ones, at that.
There are laws that you won't find in any book or any creed but they,
nevertheless, exist. You make as if the industrial age is superior to what was
going on with the native peoples in their ability to live and thrive off of the
land. I would seriously question the assertion that quality of life is superior
to the what was happening 300 years ago on this continent. You may have a
dishwasher, internet and a fast car but what have you lost? Think about it.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I'm speaking primarily of plains Indians. Ever watch Dances with Wolves? Now
before you say "that's just Hollywood", it was a pretty accurate portrayal of
plains Indian life, although toned down greatly. I read a book called *Indian
Depredations* by Big Foot Wallace, one of the original Texas Rangers in which
he chronicles attacks by Comanche, Kiowa, and other native Texas bands on
settlers. There were a couple of bands in Texas that none of the other *tribes*
or nations liked as they were cannibalistic. I could go into the nature of
plains Indian depredations in detail but they were quite gruesome. Let's put it
this way, An old saying among those with firsthand experience with Indians was
" save your last bullet for yourself, you don't want to be captured alive".
Yes, self mutilation was a common practice among plains Indians. Lots of
*cutting*. Women cut them selves in mourning a lost loved one. Ever hear of the
sun Dance? Sitting Bull cut something like a hundred pieces of flesh from his
arms. Of course we know of the mutilations of dead soldiers at the Little Big
Horn. My great grand father arrived a couple of days after and helped bury the
dead.Human sacrifice was limited more to the Aztec and Mayan, to my knowledge,
although I'm pretty sure it happened in South American tribes as well. Ever
hear of shrinking heads? < Not intending to paint all with a broad brush, there
were relatively more sophisticated nations as well, Hopi, Navajo Cherokee etc.
But nobody remembers a *good* Indian!
And all of this from a minor, insignificant graphic to illustrate that you and
me (or at least our relatives) are immigrants who trespassed and ultimately
subjugated the native cultures here in North America!
From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
What tribes or nations are you referring to here? I am curious, because none
of that behavior, except for tool making, occurred among the first nations in
what is now California, Oregon and Washington. The nations were tiny compared
to they are today, and self-sufficient. It was considered extreme bad manners,
and even crazy, to go from one nation into another. They didn't practice any
self-mutilation either. Just like us whiteys, first nation peoples aren't all
the same. And you are aware of course that it was the whites, not the
"Indians", who began collecting scalps.
There is no need to justify their slaughter, and death by disease, by
considering them savage and barbarian. I don't think guilt-tripping is
appropriate either, but acknowledging that theirs was as diverse and complex a
group of cultures as ours, at least recognizes the reality of what happened.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Isn't it horrible? We brought them guns and whiskey. Had we never come, they
could still be chasing buffalo(on foot), living in tepees, using stone and bone
tools, killing each other over food stores for the winter, mutilating their
bodies, making human sacrifice and otherwise living in *harmony* with nature..
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
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