Yes, Saletin does cite his sources but are they any more believable? I find his
sources just as suspect.I don't believe the story line about a video causing
anything that happened anywhere in the middle east, much less Benghazi.
However, I do believe it was convenient and being able use the producer as a
scapegoat and throw the guy in jail on a parole violation that would otherwise
be overlooked was quite handy and really heightens my suspicions. Do you see
the problem here? An Administration is blaming it's failings in foreign policy
on a *nobody* that made a poorly made video that almost nobody saw.
Saletins's article depends on sources, that to me, are suspect and combined
with an attempt to create doubt or uncertainty about what was said to families.
To me, it boils down to *He said, she said*. I still have to go with my gut
feeling on this. The rest of the media sure hasn't picked up on Saletin's
explanation.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Krauthammer on the Clinton Foundation
One more thing, Mike.
You gave no source for what you posted; I had to track it down. Nor does the
piece itself give any sources for any of its claims.
In contrast, I linked to Saletan's article in Slate.com. And it is impeccable
in citing sources for all its assertions, as well as acknowledging uncertainty
about what Clinton said to the Benghazi families.
Just on its face, that should give any reasonable person more cause to trust
Saletan's article.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
LOL! Judy, I put as much trust in anything Slate.com has to say as you put in
that guy that wrote the original blog that we've been discussing.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Krauthammer on the Clinton Foundation
Actually, Mike, Rubio told a bunch of falsehoods. Have a look at this article
from Slate.com by William Saletan:
Marco Rubio Has Decided His Best Strategy Is to Lie About Hillary Clinton and
Benghazi
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Marco Rubio speaks with confidence. That’s a big reason why Republican donors
are turning away from Jeb Bush and toward Rubio: They see the Florida... | |
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(BTW, it's "toe the line," not "tow the line." Common mistake these days.)
Yes, Slate.com is a liberal site, and Saletan, though a Republican, is a
liberal Republican. But he's a straight-arrow, and he's got the goods on
Rubio's untruths about Clinton, including an exhaustive timeline from
Factcheck.org, with careful documentation, of post-Benghazi attack statements
by the administration and everyone else involved.
It's not just Rubio. Right-wing websites generally tell the same false story
about Clinton's statements.
You do only half your homework, Mike. You inform yourself about what the right
wing has to say, but you never look at what the other side is saying, so you
never question what you read and hear and thus never get at the truth that lies
in between.
CNBC was "declared the loser" by more objective sources because it mismanaged
the debate, letting it get out of control, not because of any liberal bias. The
candidates' accusations to that effect were generally mocked.
And no, it isn't at all "interesting" that I've acknowledged the moderators
asked some bad questions. I do my best to be objective rather than engage in
whitewashing of the liberal view of things. Liberals aren't perfect by a long
shot--but they're a heck of a lot more honest than the right wing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
In that very debate, Rubio addressed that quite well. While the media had been
talking about the ten wonderful days of Clinton, they never addressed that she
had been caught lying about Benghazi. She had sent e-mails to Chelsea and
Middle eastern leaders the next day,9/12,saying the terrorist attack was from
an Al Queda like organization. While for the next couple of weeks, she towed
the administration line that it was a protest that got out of hand caused by a
video. And she continued that lie by telling the families that they were going
to *get* that person that put that video out.
So yes, the Media did cover for her.The headlines after the debate pretty much
declared CNBC the loser. So, the Republican candidates didn't exactly make
fools of themselves for complaining of a liberal bias in regards to the line
of questioning. But it is interesting that you would admit that there were
some*bad questions*.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Krauthammer on the Clinton Foundation
BTW, Mike, the mainstream media would be *thrilled* to be able to document a
genuine Clinton scandal with actual facts. If they haven't done so this time
around, it's because the facts just ain't there.
BTW 2, the mainstream media isn't all that "librul." They're centrist. And the
Republican presidential candidates made fools of themselves accusing CNBC of
being too liberal--CNBC is almost as right-wing as Fox News. It's a big booster
of Wall Street; the Tea Party began on CNBC, for pete's sake. The debate
moderators did ask a few bad questions, but most of them were substantive.
Those were the questions the candidates really resented and did their best to
avoid by dumping on the moderators. As far as the candidates are concerned,
"debates" are for them to stand there and tell everybody how great they are,
not to be examined on the issues or challenge each other's positions.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :
FYI, "shooting the messenger" refers to a *blameless* messenger. It isn't
shooting the messenger to point out that he is unreliable, especially when his
message accuses somebody of criminal acts.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Judy, you're just shooting the messenger here. However, I would agree that you
won't find anything like this in the mainstream media, regardless of how
factual it is. "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 3:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Krauthammer on the Clinton Foundation
FWIW, this is from Newsmax, a very right-wing and highly unreliable "news"
outlet. Not only that, it isn't from a Newsmax article, it's from a reader
comment--in other words, no editorial control or fact-checking. The dude who
wrote it has sent and posted it all over the place (do a Google search for the
phrase "Charles Krauthammer alluded..."). The writer is illiterate ("alluded"
is used incorrectly), but that's to be expected.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Wednesday, October 28, 2015
Charles Krauthammer on Hillary Clinton
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