We've had a number of *refugees*/ immigrants that have come here from countries
like Somalia that have returned to the middle- east and are accused of training
with ISIS or other terrorist organizations organizations. The same is very
common in Europe.Seemingly good people come and resettle and then go *home* and
get the training and then come back. It's thought that 4-5 thousand have done
so in Europe alone. I think it better to help refugees by providing aid and
keeping them in similar cultures. Also helps to keep them in contact with their
dharma. One's family life , including their culture and religion are an aspect
of their dharma. Why force them out of that environment into something they
aren't familiar with?
From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
Well, Mike, I was teasing you. My sense of humor doesn't always translate
well to paper; you don't know me well. What I said was...."Of course, it isn't
absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.........and get in........"(what you said).
8 Facts About the U.S. Program to Resettle Syrian Refugees
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The Chechen brothers had been in the country for 10 years; the older one
who was the instigator and who basically "self-radicalized" here in the U.S.,
was perhaps not much different from the other young men in the U.S. who we've
seen make the news who seem to think that mass murder is an acceptable option
to expressing their hopelessness about life, or who suffer from mental illness
that they can't get treated properly, or etc., etc.
Not the same thing at all....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the
government to completely vet all of the refugees when they can't. The
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in active
terrorists, here is the fact:
Of the Syrian refugees admitted so far, half are children, according to
administration officials. The group is about 50/50 men and women, and about 2
percent are single men of combat age.
To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is
the reality:
A few politicians and pundits have claimed that the administration wants to
bring in as many as 250,000 Syrian refugees. That number has no basis in
fact.Some reports seems to confuse the number of Syrian refugees the United
States will accept with the number of worldwide refugees the United States will
accept. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States will accept up
to 85,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 — up from 70,000 this year — and around
100,000 in fiscal year 2017. Again, this is the total number of refugees from
all over the world.To contrast the tone of what you mean by:
"The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly vet these immigrants.
Records that they would need to do so, are just not available to them. Anyone
can claim anything at this point and get into a host country."
The reality is that the process is quite laborious and thorough (read article
again for details on what it involves) and takes 1 to 2 years. Of course, it
isn't absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.........and get in........". You seem to be pretty frightened to me;
maybe some international travel would do you good.
The head of the National Counterterrorism Center told Congress in October that
the intelligence in Syria is "not as rich as we would like it to be," while FBI
Director James Comey told Congress there are "gaps" in data
availability.Challenges and gaps, however, don’t translate into "no ability" to
vet at all."No system is foolproof. If we really wanted a foolproof system, we
would shut down immigration entirely," said David Martin, a University of
Virginia professor who’s previously held posts at DHS and the State Department.
"The alarm is way overblown."According to the State Department, Syrians tend to
have more identity documents than other refugee groups around the world, and
the reasons they give for missing documents (a bomb dropping on their house)
can be verified.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Emily, I don't think the Politico article refutes anything that I said below,
in fact confirms what I said. Obama wants to bring in more Refugees this year,
approximately 10,000 and many more over the next few years, that number
varies.The FBI says that they can not thoroughly vet them. The problem is that
many public records about the refugees just aren't available due to the civil
war.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
Mike, check your facts. You must be reading those "political rags that
contain lies to create fear in fear-based individuals" again. Politico here
addresses your inaccurate assumptions and statements below.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to
thoroughly vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some,
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate
people.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
So how many refugees have moved in downthe street from you?
On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev?I've done plenty of
international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the
government to completely vet all of the refugees when they can't. The
materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other
government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in
the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I
have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but
nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
To combat the fear that letting in refugees is tantamount to letting in active
terrorists, here is the fact:
Of the Syrian refugees admitted so far, half are children, according to
administration officials. The group is about 50/50 men and women, and about 2
percent are single men of combat age.
To correct the error that Obama plans to let in "a hundred thousand", here is
the reality:
A few politicians and pundits have claimed that the administration wants to
bring in as many as 250,000 Syrian refugees. That number has no basis in
fact.Some reports seems to confuse the number of Syrian refugees the United
States will accept with the number of worldwide refugees the United States will
accept. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States will accept up
to 85,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 — up from 70,000 this year — and around
100,000 in fiscal year 2017. Again, this is the total number of refugees from
all over the world.To contrast the tone of what you mean by:
"The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to thoroughly vet these immigrants.
Records that they would need to do so, are just not available to them. Anyone
can claim anything at this point and get into a host country."
The reality is that the process is quite laborious and thorough (read article
again for details on what it involves) and takes 1 to 2 years. Of course, it
isn't absolute all the time—that doesn't translate to "anyone can claim
anything.........and get in........". You seem to be pretty frightened to me;
maybe some international travel would do you good.
The head of the National Counterterrorism Center told Congress in October that
the intelligence in Syria is "not as rich as we would like it to be," while FBI
Director James Comey told Congress there are "gaps" in data
availability.Challenges and gaps, however, don’t translate into "no ability" to
vet at all."No system is foolproof. If we really wanted a foolproof system, we
would shut down immigration entirely," said David Martin, a University of
Virginia professor who’s previously held posts at DHS and the State Department.
"The alarm is way overblown."According to the State Department, Syrians tend to
have more identity documents than other refugee groups around the world, and
the reasons they give for missing documents (a bomb dropping on their house)
can be verified.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Emily, I don't think the Politico article refutes anything that I said below,
in fact confirms what I said. Obama wants to bring in more Refugees this year,
approximately 10,000 and many more over the next few years, that number
varies.The FBI says that they can not thoroughly vet them. The problem is that
many public records about the refugees just aren't available due to the civil
war.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
Mike, check your facts. You must be reading those "political rags that
contain lies to create fear in fear-based individuals" again. Politico here
addresses your inaccurate assumptions and statements below.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-questions-about-syrian-refugees/
| |
| |
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/19/politifact-sheet-5-que...
� | |
| View on www.politifact.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
The article says the Obama administration has committed to taking 10,000
refugees *this year*. It doesn't say anything about the hundred or so thousand
he really intends to bring over the longer haul. I've been out of the loop for
a few days but the last I heard is that 36 states are currently pleading not to
take any, at least at this point. The FBI is saying it is nearly impossible to
thoroughly vet these immigrants. Records that they would need to do so, are
just not available to them. Anyone can claim anything at this point and get
into a host country. Hayam Duhkam Anagatam.(avoid the suffering before it
comes). Yes, there will be some genuinely good people and there will be some,
and probably fewer, genuinely evil and disgusting people to come. You don't
threaten the security of a nation to show compassion for other less fortunate
people.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord
So how many refugees have moved in downthe street from you?
On 11/20/2015 07:06 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]wrote:
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/20/456680690/if-americans-move-to-canada-to-avoid-refugees-they-may-get-a-surprise
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