Re: Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture."
It sounds like you think there is some terrorist conspiracy going to "uproot entire populations" in the middle east and "plant them" in the U.S and Europe. If the refugees were going to any of the countries in Africa, would you take the same position with as much vehemence as you have around refugees coming here? A "population" doesn't migrate on the scale that we've seen for kicks. Who, pray tell, is *taking* them away from their homeland; seems to me the refugees are *choosing* to leave because they fear for their lives and families. Of course they want to go to a country they assume can give them aid and a better life. Wouldn't you? The best thing to do if you empathize with how stressful it could be and if you are worried about refugees adapting is to volunteer yourself to help and get involved. They are coming and I doubt we're going to intern them in camps like we did the Japanese, when national paranoia took hold. Make a difference Mike; you are heading into your twilight years - why sit around being an armchair politician? (P.S. Remember, I never give advice to anyone that I don't give to myself as well.) Oh, but your "dharma" and "karma" landed you here - lucky you! Except that, of course, your ancestor's migrated here as well. Why? Were they being persecuted? In search of a better life? Starving back over there in Europe somewhere? Not allowed to practice their religion? Should they have stayed back in their "culture" and "close to home?" I have been looking up the meaning of the word "dharma." Nowhere do I see a definition that indicates a human being should contain one's life to within the boundaries of the "culture" and "religion" of the region they were born. Not even close. Curiously, what definition are you using? Who, pray tell, is trying to "change their lives with a new culture?" Whaattt?!! Are you making any sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Emily, seriously, what does it sound like to you? Have you ever heard the expression( I know you have) *there's no place like home*. Is it really wise and helpful to take people away from everything that they've known and experienced and throw them into something different? Some will adapt well and others not so well and refugee status is not an ideal way to learn. It's a stressful situation. The culture and religion a person is born into is a part of their dharma, their evolutionary path in life. Forcing someone out of that, whether by coercion or predicament invites trouble for them. Instead of swimming down stream , your trying to swim up stream. That's why I say, or at least one reason I say, keep them as close to home as possible. Protect them and help them but don't try to change their lives with a new culture. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord Re: "I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture." Mike, what are you trying to say here? It's an odd statement to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Judy, the 18-19 Saudis that were responsible for 9/11 had been here for a while, some on student visas. Just because you have jihad on the mind doesn't mean you have to act immediately. Terrorist cells can be *planted* and not activated for months or years. And then again, one can come here as a genuine refugee and be turned *to the dark side* later, as a number already have been. Does anyone ever ask why more Gulf States aren't taking in these refugees? They have the money and resources and they would be closer to home. One of the big tenants of Islam is charity. Why isn't Saudi Arabia, home of the prophet, guardian of the faith, doing their *fair share*? I find it cruel to uproot entire populations and plant them in a completely foreign culture. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Lord The point is, Mike, that there are easier, quicker ways for jihadis to enter the country than as refugees. If they have mayhem on their minds, they're not going to want to wait around for a couple of years while the vetting process takes place just to take advantage of its potential shortcomings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Emily, do you remember Dzhokhar and Tamerian Tsarnaev? I've done plenty of international travel. You sound pretty naive to me. You actually trust the government to completely vet all of the refugees when they can't. The materials that they need are not available. Records from home towns and other government documents in Syria, including police records have been destroyed in the war or are not available. You don't think documents can be counterfeited? I have no doubt that there are agencies that claim that they can vet them but nobody knows how well it can be done. Hayam Dukham Anagatam.
